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Social anxiety through the prism of intelligence

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[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]1. People with social anxiety exhibit high levels of sentinel intelligence, which is the ability to detect real threats that are invisible to other people. For example, in the study linked, participants were able to detect the smell of smoke far before others. This means that they are hyper-sensitive to perceived threats, and can feel uneasy or disturbed when they are mental or emotional in nature.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]2. Socially anxious people are hyper self-aware. This is generally a positive thing, but when in a social setting these people will experience a sort of spotlight effect and become exhausted trying to monitor and control what they logically know other people could, and may, pick up on.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]3. “An anxious mind is a searching mind,” and an intelligent one is, too. In the study linked, it was found that children with Generalized Anxiety Disorder have higher levels of cognitive ability and diligence simply because they are constantly examining things, seeking theories and explanations, trying to rationalize and evaluate information from multiple angles, all at the same time.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]4. People with anxiety score higher on verbal intelligence exams. This simply means that they are more attuned to the dimension of meaning behind any given interaction. They perceive the world beyond the surface (and statements beyond their obvious meaning.)[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]5. People with social anxiety have a natural awareness of other people’s states of mind.This means that they are highly attuned to how someone is thinking, feeling or perceiving a situation, a little bit beyond what would be appropriate and healthy to function without over-thinking, worrying and trying to react to someone’s perceived state of mind, rather than the reality they are presenting.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]6. Socially anxious people are, in a sense, empathsThat almost psychic ability to be aware of other people’s states of mind ties inextricably to being aware of their emotional state. Often, if people don’t realize that they are so empathetic, they adopt other people’s issues as their own. They experience an influx and instability of emotion around others (especially large groups) just because they are picking up on everyone else.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]7. People with social anxiety are also downboard thinkers: they are a few logical steps ahead of the conversation at almost all times. This leads to feeling easily embarrassed as they can immediately determine the repercussions of a social faux pas.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]8. People with similar levels of social anxiety tend to bond quickly; friendships that form quickly and last for a while tend to have this in common. When it comes to being around people whose levels are not aligned with your own, a sense of looming discomfort approaches as they feel ‘outnumbered’ or misunderstood, and certainly uncomfortable.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]9. Intelligent people compile empirical evidence from their lives to create a conclusion… socially anxious people do, too. Because intelligent people are far from being naive, they understand how, realistically, history could repeat itself, so if they’ve had a series of negative social experiences, they close off and try to avoid being hurt again.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]10. Intelligent people best cope with things that are logical, and social situations are not logical – and neither are people. Their social anxiety is born of a sense of misunderstanding; intelligent people search for information, not emotional cues, and this is how it becomes difficult to interact with others, or even just understand them.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]11. Socially anxious people are subconscious overthinkers. This is to say, they don’t know that they’re over-evaluating and coming up with (ironically enough) irrational conclusions.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]12. Mental and emotional intelligence is not the same thing, and often, mentally intelligent people will try to decipher emotions in a rational way, which leads to a lot of stress when conclusions cannot be made. When people don’t behave in ways that create patterns, and their emotions are not logical or consistent or dismantled with reason, this misunderstanding of mind vs. heart can lead to a lot of internal stress.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]13. Intelligent people are simply less able to dilute reality. Most people choose to ignore all the possibilities, the “what-if’s,” but that doesn’t make them less a part of reality, it makes them less a part of their reality. Unfortunately, intelligent people lack the ability to do this (for better and for much, much worse.)[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]14. The Theory of Mind is a crucial element of both intelligence and social function, but a hyper-understanding often leads to unnecessary stress. Theory of Mind, otherwise known as commonsense psychology, is the ability to determine and attribute mental states to oneself and to others. Over-thinking this natural perception, however, leads to unnecessarily negative conclusions and the like.[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]15. Socially anxious people are far more perceptive of intent rather than what appears at face-value. This is because their natural inclination is to dig beneath the surface and understand the root, cause, meaning, purpose, and ultimately, intention of anything (so this need extends into their social lives.)[/font]
[font=minion-pro, Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]16. Intelligent people can be more judgmental if they haven’t channeled their awareness into being discerning insteadThis is where the whole intelligent-pretentious correlation stereotype comes from. Intelligent people have a hard time of seeing things on more simplistic levels, and an even harder time of stomaching someone else’s lapse in perception (especially when it’s leading to a negative consequence in their lives.) This results in a constant state of social anxiety: tell someone the truth and help them out, or remain mum and feel frustrated regardless. [/font]
Source: http://thoughtcatalog.com/brianna-w...ially-anxious-are-usually-highly-intelligent/


I personally believe the combination of the so-called HSP (heightened sensory processing sensitivity) and the higher intelligence is the ultimate death sentence regarding the socialization, unless you socialize with the like-minded individuals. Your awareness and the already overloaded state of mind either shut your brain down or just trigger agonic waves of negative emotions.

It's pain in the ass. We are still fairly aware after 6 x 0.5l glasses of beer, whereas other guests with the comparable levels of tolerance start mumbling their sleazy and lascivious sayings + act aggressive and in a disinhibiting manner. Socializing without alcohol is impossible, but alcohol itself doesn't bring the expected results, it's just an instrument helping you to stay within the group of not-so-close people or strangers, but barely anything else.
 
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Wow a woman who actually wrote a good article with scientific proof to back up her claims and no one ever bumped this thread. This fact alone makes this a good thread. All the actual content is just icing on the cake.
 

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Legit people here always overlook gems like this.
 

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and there is assburger's view about social anxiety being result of autism and cluelessly what is going on around person resulting in immense anxiety
:giggle:
 

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Dazzle said:
sephy said:
can i cope and say im all of this <33333

 

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And here is reality that has its pros and cons , you are smart (pro)but you are becoming more dumber and dumber(con) and becoming more low inhibition (pro or con depending on what perspective you look at it :giggle: ).


[font=Arial, Helvetica,]Neuroscientists have discovered how chronic stress and cortisol can damage the brain. A new study reconfirms the importance of maintaining healthy brain structure and connectivity by reducing chronic stress.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]Neuroscientists at the University of California, Berkeley, have found that chronic stress triggers long-term changes in brain structure and function. Their findings might explain why young people who are exposed to chronic stress early in life are prone to mental problems such as anxiety and mood disorders later in life, as well as learning difficulties.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]It has long been established that stress-related illnesses, such as post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) trigger changes in brain structure, including differences in the volume of gray matter versus white matter, as well as the and size and connectivity of the amygdala. However, researchers are just beginning to understand exactly how chronic stress creates long-lasting changes in brain structure which affect how the brain functions.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]In a series of revolutionary experiments, Daniela Kaufer, UC Berkeley associate professor of integrative biology, and her colleagues, discovered that chronic stress and elevated levels of cortisol can generate more overproduction of myelin-producing cells and fewer neurons than normal. Kaufer et al published their findings in the February 11, 2014 issue of the journal Molecular Psychiatry.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]Chronic Stress Changes Neural Networks [/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]The "gray matter" of the brain is densely packed with nerve cell bodies and is responsible for the brain's higher functions, such as thinking, computing, and decision-making. But gray matter is only half of the brain matter inside our heads—the other half of brain volume is called white matter.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica,]White matter is comprised of axons, which create a network of fibers that interconnect neurons and creates a communications network between brain regions. White matter gets its name from the white, fatty myelin sheath that surrounds the axons and speeds the flow of electrical signals between neurons and brain regions.[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica,]“We studied only one part of the brain, the hippocampus, but our findings could provide insight into how white matter is changing in conditions such asschizophreniaautismdepression,suicideADHD and PTSD,” Kaufer said. The hippocampus regulates memory and emotions, and plays a role in various emotional disorders and has been known to shrink under extended periods of acute stress.[/font]
 

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From what I've seen, both the biggest slayers and the biggest incels tend to have this personality type.

Ugly incels will be very likely likely to be seen as "creepy," especially if they can subconsciously read details about you that you didn't know you were showing. People will assume you're over-observing them in a stalkerish manner, even though you're really just good at reading them.

When you're GL, you simply don't have any reason to be creepy. You might be sexually forward, but if you can read signs of disinterest it'll be very easy to figure out exactly which girls are dtf. The halo effect makes the empathetic abilities "charismatic" and "charming."  Attractiveness completely reverses the assumptions that one would make about an ugly empathetic person. 

The social anxiety aspect, I'm guessing, would be much more severe in unattractive people too. Ugly people with HSP can detect every single microaggression due to looks. This makes it VERY hard to like people, since ultimately everyone judges in some way if you're ugly. Even if they're your friends or family, your ugliness will still result in you being treated differently than a more attractive person.

And of course, social awkwardness itself is a death sentence if you're ugly.
 

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IncelRa said:
And here is reality that has its pros and cons , you are smart (pro)but you are becoming more dumber and dumber(con) and becoming more low inhibition (pro or con depending on what perspective you look at it :giggle: ).

You can reverse that damage with Tianeptine, an AD with an unique way of action.

Chemically it is a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA), but it has different pharmacological properties than typical TCAs as recent research suggests that tianeptine produces its antidepressant effects through indirect alteration of glutamate receptor activity (i.e., AMPA receptors and NMDA receptors) and release of BDNF, in turn affecting neural plasticity.[4][5][6][7][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianeptine

Neurobiological and clinical effects of the antidepressant tianeptine.
Kasper S1, McEwen BS.
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The precise neurobiological processes involved in depression are not clear, but it is recognized that numerous factors are involved, including changes in neurotransmitter systems and brain plasticity. Neuroplasticity refers to the ability of the brain to adapt functionally and structurally to stimuli. Impairment of neuroplasticity in the hippocampus, amygdala and cortex is hypothesized to be the mechanism by which cognitive function, learning, memory and emotions are altered in depression. The mechanisms underlying alterations in neuroplasticity are believed to relate to changes in neurotransmitters, hormones and growth factors. Structural changes in the hippocampus that have been proposed to be associated with depression include dendritic atrophy, reduced levels of cerebral metabolites, decreased adult neurogenesis (generation of new nerve cells) and reduced volume. Increased dendritic branching occurs in the basolateral nucleus of the amygdala. Reduced neuronal size and glial cell density occur in the prefrontal cortex. Clinically, tianeptine is an antidepressant effective in reducing symptoms of depression in mild to moderate-to-severe major depression, including over the long term. Tianeptine is also effective in alleviating the symptoms of depression-associated anxiety. It is generally well tolerated, with little sedation or cognitive impairment. The efficacy profile of tianeptine could be explained by its neurobiological properties observed in animal models. Tianeptine prevents or reverses stress-associated structural and cellular changes in the brain and normalizes disrupted glutamatergic neurotransmission. In particular, in the hippocampus, it prevents stress-induced dendritic atrophy, improves neurogenesis, reduces apoptosis and normalizes metabolite levels and hippocampal volume. Tianeptine also has beneficial effects in the amygdala and cortex and can reverse the effects of stress on neuronal and synaptic functioning. The neurobiological properties of tianeptine may provide an explanation not only for its antidepressant activity, but also for its anxiolytic effects in depressed patients and its lack of adverse effects on cognitive function and memory.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18221189

Brutus said:
From what I've seen, both the biggest slayers and the biggest incels tend to have this personality type.

Ugly incels will be very likely likely to be seen as "creepy," especially if they can subconsciously read details about you that you didn't know you were showing. People will assume you're over-observing them in a stalkerish manner, even though you're really just good at reading them.

When you're GL, you simply don't have any reason to be creepy. You might be sexually forward, but if you can read signs of disinterest it'll be very easy to figure out exactly which girls are dtf. The halo effect makes the empathetic abilities "charismatic" and "charming." Attractiveness completely reverses the assumptions that one would make about an ugly empathetic person.

The social anxiety aspect, I'm guessing, would be much more severe in unattractive people too. Ugly people with HSP can detect every single microaggression due to looks. This makes it VERY hard to like people, since ultimately everyone judges in some way if you're ugly. Even if they're your friends or family, your ugliness will still result in you being treated differently than a more attractive person.

And of course, social awkwardness itself is a death sentence if you're ugly.

The story of my life.
 

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Wonderful post here.

Possibly the biggest mistake of my life was learning to read people's involuntary signs when they're interested in others.
 
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Brutus said:
From what I've seen, both the biggest slayers and the biggest incels tend to have this personality type.

Ugly incels will be very likely likely to be seen as "creepy," especially if they can subconsciously read details about you that you didn't know you were showing. People will assume you're over-observing them in a stalkerish manner, even though you're really just good at reading them.

When you're GL, you simply don't have any reason to be creepy. You might be sexually forward, but if you can read signs of disinterest it'll be very easy to figure out exactly which girls are dtf. The halo effect makes the empathetic abilities "charismatic" and "charming."  Attractiveness completely reverses the assumptions that one would make about an ugly empathetic person. 

The social anxiety aspect, I'm guessing, would be much more severe in unattractive people too. Ugly people with HSP can detect every single microaggression due to looks. This makes it VERY hard to like people, since ultimately everyone judges in some way if you're ugly. Even if they're your friends or family, your ugliness will still result in you being treated differently than a more attractive person.

And of course, social awkwardness itself is a death sentence if you're ugly.

:clap:

Reps are coming but off my other account cause I am out of them on this one
 

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kunikus said:
 Tianeptine prevents or reverses stress-associated structural and cellular changes in the brain and normalizes disrupted glutamatergic neurotransmission. In particular, in the hippocampus, it prevents stress-induced dendritic atrophy, improves neurogenesis, reduces apoptosis and normalizes metabolite levels and hippocampal volume. Tianeptine also has beneficial effects in the amygdala and cortex and can reverse the effects of stress on neuronal and synaptic functioning. The neurobiological properties of tianeptine may provide an explanation not only for its antidepressant activity, but also for its anxiolytic effects in depressed patients and its lack of adverse effects on cognitive function and memory.

Thanks for info , but how to get my psychiatrist to prescribe it (few years ago i went to them to seek help(flaked out on them after few months of telling them my negative past experiences as it makes me sad to remember them) for constant negative mood(depression) and social anxiety(which they thought was Agoraphobia :giggle: ) and they gave me Peroxetine that didn't seem to do anything ). So mine diagnosis was (as i saw these mental illnesses at paper at army health check center after i got rejected by psychiatrist as unfit for forced 1 year army training program) Shizoid personality disorder , agoraphobia , average depression and underdeveloped personality .
 

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Thanks for info , but how to get my psychiatrist to prescribe it (few years ago i went to them to seek help(flaked out on them after few months of telling them my negative past experiences as it makes me sad to remember them) for constant negative mood(depression) and social anxiety(which they thought was Agoraphobia :giggle: ) and they gave me Peroxetine that didn't seem to do anything ). So mine diagnosis was (as i saw these mental illnesses at paper at army health check center after i got rejected by psychiatrist as unfit for forced 1 year army training program) Shizoid personality disorder , agoraphobia , average depression and underdeveloped personality .

Well you can also buy it online, it's a little bit expensive in tablets, it's cheaper if you buy it in the powder form but you'll have to keep the majority of it on the fridge and the dose for the week outside of it, or it it will get sticky.

https://newmind.com/tianeptine-sodium-salt-10-g.html

The standard dose of Tianeptine is 12mg 3 times a day but you can use up to 50mg per day without side effects.

If Tianeptine doesn't take away all your anxiety you could add Propanolol (beta blocker) which is pretty cheap, and if that's not enough you can add Etifoxine (you can find this on online pharmacies), if that one doesn't work for you you can replace it with Baclofen which is basically a stronger version of phenibut without the tolerance issues, start the Baclofen with 10mg 2 or 3 times a day and then see which dose works for you.

http://brandmedicines.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=644 this one ships free to all the places in the world.

http://brandmedicines.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=42&products_id=1493

or

http://goldpharma.com

Then there's also Bacopa Monniera which is amazing for my ADHD and anxiety... and it's cheap and tastes HORRID, but it makes some people tired but it's worth a shot.

http://www.powdercity.com/products/bacopa-monnieri-bacosides

Also.. Amilsupride, it acts as an atypical AP at 400mg but at very low doses acts as:
"Specifically, a the low doses, Amisulpride is a “selective dopamine antagonist” which stimulates specific types of dopamine receptors (D2 and D3) on their presynaptic side. D2/D3 limbic system pathways are thought to be involved in regulating mood, anxiety and motivation. Unlike many other medications, it exclusively acts in the mesolimbic brain, which is unusual, because this is the site where emotional mood states and memory storage and retrieval takes place in your brain. This is great because it doesn’t unnecessarily stimulate other dopaminergic receptors elsewhere in the brain, so locomotion and general attention/arousal systems are largely bypassed, eliminating sleep disturbances, anxiety exacerbations, the jitters, and scattered and/or hyper-attentiveness. For this specific purpose, it is used in very low doses (12.5-100mg/day)."

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/amisulpride-—-a-multipurpose-drug-for-me-cfs.20964/

Amilsupride has cured my ADHD at 12.5mg a day, and it has diminished my unbearable anxiety (I couldn't even watch TV because I thought I was going to die), now I'm comfortable around my family, I can concentrate on things, but I still need another anxiolytic to go outside. Right now I've replaced Tianeptine with this because my little cousin spilled my Tianeptine and I'm now left with only a months dosage, the Tianeptine also cures my ADHD.
 
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