Propranolol - legit as fuck for fear and high inhibition, GTFIH mentalcels

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So a long time ago I posted about this NYT article on drugs that could cure fears: 

https://lookism.net/Thread-News-NYT-A-Drug-to-Cure-Fear-high-inhibitioncels

one of the drugs mentioned propranolol is actually pretty damn effective

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-propranolol-may-one-day-cure-fear-2016-6

I recently asked a bunch of top psychologists to tell me what blows their mind , and one of the responses I received really freaked me out.

According to scientific research, one psychologist told me, human fears are at least partly erasable. All it takes is a single pill.

The latest evidence of that phenomenon comes from a study published in December 2015 by researchers at the University of Amsterdam.

For the study , the researchers recruited 45 women who reported being afraid of spiders. All the women were asked to open a jar with a baby tarantula inside, touch the spider, let it walk on their bare hands, and report how frightened they felt. They were allowed to stop the procedure at any point — and none of the participants ended up getting to the point where they touched the spider.

Next, some of the women were given a pill containing the drug propranolol, while the rest were given a placebo. Propranolol is a beta-blocker, which means it blocks the hormone adrenaline. (None of the women knew what pill they were consuming.)

Four days later, all the participants returned to the lab. Some were asked to touch the tarantula again and report how frightened they felt; others weren't.

Sure enough, all the women who'd taken propranolol were able to touch the tarantula, and reported being less afraid. On the other hand, none of the women who'd taken the placebo were able to touch the spider as instructed. And the women who'd taken the propranolol without touching the spider reported being just as fearful as they were before.

The really scary part? Even one year later , these effects persisted.

In other words, propranolol plus being re-exposed to the tarantula seemed to reduce the women's fear of spiders.


That's likely because propranolol blocks a chemical in the brain that facilitates learning, meaning it disrupts the process of "memory reconsolidation," or the way a memory is stored after it's retrieved.

This study builds on previous research on rats , which found that there's a brief window of time during memory reconsolidation when memories can be altered.
It looked pretty interesting so I decided to do some more research on it and found that it's pretty popular with public speakers: 

https://www.drugs.com/comments/propranolol/for-performance-anxiety.html

[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,]"I take 20 mg an hour before public speaking it works wonders. Previously I have just used Cocaine however Propranonol works out cheaper overall and I don't feel an overwhelming urge to celebrate with alcohol and obnoxious behaviour afterwards - which was the side effect of cocaine"[/font]
low inhibition as fuck :giggle:

I decided to test this out with a fear i've always had

roller coasters where you drop straight down at high speeds: 

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falling is fine, high speeds are fine, high altitude is fine, all 3 at the same time used to freak me the fuck out

literally felt like i would die, i couldn't breath, i'd be shaking for 1-3 hours after, appetite completely gone for the day, tight chest feeling for 12+ hours, felt depressed and sad for a 6-8 hours, etc

other roller coasters weren't an issue

My first test was sometime in late June, i went to six flags (theme park for you euros) and just went on the superman tower over and over

I didn't get any feelings of anxiety up until got in line to wait for the ride which was already an improvement, in the past just seeing these types of roller coasters made me anxious 

but the difference was the anxiety while in line wasn't crippling like before, more like "huh so i guess im doing this then" 

When i got on the ride the experience felt kind of flat, im sure removing the fear part also removes some of the excitement but the big thing for me was that the fear wasn't really there

I tested out an additional 2 days, 1 more day with prop and 1 without. The day with prop was much like the first time

the time without prop I had more anxiety, but far far less than before. I was fearful, but the fear was much more manageable

most importantly though, none of the bad effects i used to have in the past

TLDR: it works pretty damn good for at the very minimum managing fear, at best possibly "erasing" fear altogether 

Here is the key part though boyos

you can't just mega-dose propranolol and sit in your room

this shit isn't magnesium  :giggle:

From what scientists understand blocking adrenaline + CBT/exposure therapy = neurons rewired

I think most patients are using it as a perma-crutch which makes practical sense, but long term dosage on a as-needed basis is pure failo in my opinion

Researchers and autistic spergs (internet-autism, not true medically diagnosed autism) are having long term (and permanent) success with prop + controlled exposure therapy

Eventually you can get to the point where you don't need prop to not experience fear, research suggests 3-6 weeks are needed for new habits or neural pathways to form so if you take it for 2-3 months and ACTIVELY work on your social anxiety you could probably make great improvements and not need prop anymore

For a long time I've been saying many of you are average looking but have social anxiety/high inhibition, the best way to treat that would probably be doing 20mg-40mg of prop and doing something that allows you to interact with a high volume of people that results in a 90% positive experience

Something like a job at starbucks or starting a petition/collecting signatures for something EVERYONE approves of, like feeding starving orphans or something and ask people doing absolutely nothing (like sitting at a public park on a sunday afternoon) to sign it

gay as fuck i know, but some of you boyos can't even make eye contact with a friendly 80yo grandpa wishing you a good morning....

How to get it

In the US it's prescribed for high blood pressure, make an early AM doctors appointment, eat a high carb breakfast and 2 cups of coffee 1-2 hours before the appointment. Tell the doctor say you've been taking your BP reading at home for the past month and they are constantly 130-145. Have your BP taken in the doctors office (its always higher there) and say you last ate the day before at 6PM. 

Say it runs in your family, your dad and older brother both had BP problems starting in their late teens/early 20s, then say

"golly gee doc, i know you're going to get mad at me, but I took my brothers medicine which is propranolol to see if it would lower my BP and when i measured about 2 hours later it was at 126. I know I shouldn't haven't done that and it was a dumb thing to do but I just wanted to see if medication was an option for me. I just wanted to be honest with you" 

prop is pretty much given out like candy for high BP, has low instances of side effects, and no potential for abuse so they wont give a fuck. Generic price in US pharmacies will be <$10 and is on walmart's $4 generic list so no issues for you obamacare neetcels :giggle:

With many private insurance plans, your copay will actually be $0

If you're a true high inhibitioncel that can't even leave your house: 

https://www.alldaychemist.com/ciplar-la.html

40mgx90 for $13, cut them in half and start with 20mg

cipla is good brand, i've used their modafinil, anastrazole, and clomid. all potent and effective

to keep your BP from falling too much, get some 100mg caffiene pills or eat some sugary fruit like an apple or something

good luck boyos
 
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I bought like 1g of propranolol raw powder just to see what it does and I don't really feel anything when I take it. Tried it multiple times in doses up to 80mg. What is the max dose I can take?
 

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What are your thoughts on bisoprolol? Should be similiar and is prescribed for anxiety too, yet it is doing almost nothing for me.
 

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ultraviolencel said:
I bought like 1g of propranolol raw powder just to see what it does and I don't really feel anything when I take it. Tried it multiple times in doses up to 80mg. What is the max dose I can take?
unless you're on obesecel 80mg should be making you dizzy, nautious, and give you cold hands and feet

99% sure your powder is bunk boyo
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Miroslav Chad said:
What are your thoughts on bisoprolol? Should be similiar and is prescribed for anxiety too, yet it is doing almost nothing for me.
don't know much about bisoprolol, quick good search shows it's a "cardio-selective" beta blocker

prop is non-selective which could be the difference maker

bisoprolol would probably good for symptoms of fear (shaking, nausea, etc) but not for mentally dealing with the fear itself
 
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layingdown said:
ultraviolencel said:
I bought like 1g of propranolol raw powder just to see what it does and I don't really feel anything when I take it. Tried it multiple times in doses up to 80mg. What is the max dose I can take?
unless you're on obesecel 80mg should be making you dizzy, nautious, and give you cold hands and feet

99% sure your powder is bunk boyo
Bought it from a legit source but even other stuff that I got from them like cialis (tried up to 20mg), DMAA (tried up to 80mg) or antiandrogens (taking big doses orally and topically every day) doesn't seem to be doing anything. I weight 96kg so maybe I need more. Gonna take 140mg of propranolol tomorrow and report here if it worked. I found that they make 160mg pills of propranolol so 140mg shouldn't kill me.
 

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ultraviolencel said:
layingdown said:
unless you're on obesecel 80mg should be making you dizzy, nautious, and give you cold hands and feet

99% sure your powder is bunk boyo
Bought it from a legit source but even other stuff that I got from them like cialis (tried up to 20mg), DMAA (tried up to 80mg) or antiandrogens (taking big doses orally and topically every day) doesn't seem to be doing anything. I weight 96kg so maybe I need more. Gonna take 140mg of propranolol tomorrow and report here if it worked. I found that they make 160mg pills of propranolol so 140mg shouldn't kill me.
Claims to have bought from a legit source, but nothing he has bought from said source is legit.
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Yep have been taking this for years. Usually 30mg an hour before situations before I get nervous.

It's hard to explain...you still get nervous but the symptoms aren't there. 

It's also good because you can abuse the fuck out of it and you don't build a tolerance.

This + Phenibut and you get a small glimpse of life as an NT. It's totally different.
 
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i had propranolol prescribed like two years ago and took it for a year for general anxiety and "public speaking" lol 

felt no difference at all still awkward as fuck and still no one wanting to talk to me 

drugs can't fix ugly tbh
 

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ultraviolencel said:
layingdown said:
unless you're on obesecel 80mg should be making you dizzy, nautious, and give you cold hands and feet

99% sure your powder is bunk boyo
Bought it from a legit source but even other stuff that I got from them like cialis (tried up to 20mg), DMAA (tried up to 80mg) or antiandrogens (taking big doses orally and topically every day) doesn't seem to be doing anything. I weight 96kg so maybe I need more. Gonna take 140mg of propranolol tomorrow and report here if it worked. I found that they make 160mg pills of propranolol so 140mg shouldn't kill me.
If they're pushing out bunk cialis which is easy and cheap to make I think you got scammed boyo

BlackPillEnthusiast said:
Yep have been taking this for years. Usually 30mg an hour before situations before I get nervous.

It's hard to explain...you still get nervous but the symptoms aren't there. 

It's also good because you can abuse the fuck out of it and you don't build a tolerance.

This + Phenibut and you get a small glimpse of life as an NT. It's totally different.
Good for you boyo, have you tried repeatedly putting yourself into those situations to see if you can achieve permanent results or even 0 fear?

I guess long term dosing isn't an issue, most people need BP meds by 40 anyways but its weird how adrenaline can shape memory and fears like that

L A C U N A R E V I V E D said:
i had propranolol prescribed like two years ago and took it for a year for general anxiety and "public speaking" lol 

felt no difference at all still awkward as fuck and still no one wanting to talk to me 

drugs can't fix ugly tbh
:shock: if drugs cant help then its really over boyo
 

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I do a lot of public speaking and it's nerve-racking, I fucking need this. Thanks for a source, repped.
 

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You don't have to drink coffee to get it lol. Just ask for it and say you have anxiety. It's a candy drug. Doctors have no problems prescribing it. As for it's efficacy, it's decent but gave me too many stomach problems. It also causes hairloss.
 

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badhairline said:
You don't have to drink coffee to get it lol. Just ask for it and say you have anxiety. It's a candy drug. Doctors have no problems prescribing it. As for it's efficacy, it's decent but gave me too many stomach problems. It also causes hairloss.
Incels can't win. :rage:
 

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"From what scientists understand blocking adrenaline + CBT/exposure therapy = neurons rewired"

Is this true? Source?

Would that mean phenibut makes me more low inhib over time?
 

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badhairline said:
You don't have to drink coffee to get it lol. Just ask for it and say you have anxiety. It's a candy drug. Doctors have no problems prescribing it. As for it's efficacy, it's decent but gave me too many stomach problems. It also causes hairloss.

take 80mg propa and look for 1h at shedded hairs and receeding hairlines to cure your fear for hairloss
 

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literally felt like i would die, i couldn't breath, i'd be shaking for 1-3 hours after, appetite completely gone for the day, tight chest feeling for 12+ hours, felt depressed and sad for a 6-8 hours, etc
all this because of the rollercoaster?

:cage:
 

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i took proponal for a college confrence. i was nervous as fuck but i didnt shake like i used to.
 
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