Lono's compilation thread on testosterone, social rank, and other related subjects.

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lono said:
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With all the estrogen in everything we use these days, has anyone ever thought of permanently running some type of light AI like clomid permanently?
Might be bad for your liver or toxic in general.

The best thing to do is find a clean source of zinc, mg, and find ways to raise DHT as it's a strong antagonist.. Meds are cancer.

I'll make a E reducing post soon.
Creatine has a solid study showcasing a 27% increase in DHT in the subjects. Might be why people say they believe that creatine speeds up baldness.

Not all meds are cancer though. Aromasin like x2 a week would result in maybe 40% decrease in estrogen overall. There was also a study where it showed an increase in igf-1.
 

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Vanity said:
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Might be bad for your liver or toxic in general.

The best thing to do is find a clean source of zinc, mg, and find ways to raise DHT as it's a strong antagonist.. Meds are cancer.

I'll make a E reducing post soon.
Creatine has a solid study showcasing a 27% increase in DHT in the subjects. Might be why people say they believe that creatine speeds up baldness.

Not all meds are cancer though. Aromasin like x2 a week would result in maybe 40% decrease in estrogen overall. There was also a study where it showed an increase in igf-1.
Too many things in that study could've gone wrong.

Steroids, DHT measurement tools, failing to control for race, time of day, diet...etc.
 
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lono said:
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With all the estrogen in everything we use these days, has anyone ever thought of permanently running some type of light AI like clomid permanently?
Might be bad for your liver or toxic in general.

The best thing to do is find a clean source of zinc, mg, and find ways to raise DHT as it's a strong antagonist.. Meds are cancer.

I'll make a E reducing post soon.
pls do it
 

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[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]In Mate choice decisions: the role of facial beauty (Johnston, 2006), researchers evaluated female mating preferences in relation to their 2D:4D digit ratios. For those unfamiliar with this science, the ratio of the length of the index finger to the ring finger has been shown to correlate with a wide variety of abilities and preferences in both men and women. The ratio is a reliable indicator of the level of exposure to testosterone in utero. At 14 weeks gestation, when digit development occurs, the balance of androgen to estrogen signaling determines relative finger length. (There is no correlation to hormone levels in adults, this is strictly a prenatal occurrence.) [/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]Lower ratios indicate more exposure to testosterone. [/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]So what does it mean to have a low ratio if you are a woman? Females with a low 2D:4D ratio relative to other women:[/font][/font]
1. Are psychologically de-feminized, as indicated by a low score on the Bem Sex Role Inventory.
2. Are physiologically de-feminized, as indicated by less regular menstrual cycles.
3. Report poor bonding to fathers.
4. Report shorter intimate relationships with males.
5. Prefer more masculine faces at ovulation and for long-term relationships.
6. Like the male pheromone 4,16 – androstadien – 3 – 01. (Christmas gift idea for your sluttiest friends!)
7. Are promiscuous, scoring high for “unrestricted” sociosexuality on the SOI.
8. Have an impaired resistance to parasites. 
9. Feel more sexual attraction for facial androgen markers in males. 
10. Resist bonding to partners.
11. Have more risk-loving preferences.
12. Have more athletic potential.
13. Have lower verbal fluency, and lower levels of emotional behavior.
14. Are more likely to be left-handed.
15. Are more likely to experience same-sex attraction.

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]In contrast, women with high ratios (more prenatal exposure to estrogen) tend to:[/font][/font]
  • Look stereotypically female: fuller lips, small jaw, large eyes.
  • Bond well to males
  • Be sexually reserved
  • Seek less masculinized faces during ovulation and for long-term relationships
 

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paulus said:
rugby1233 said:
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]In Mate choice decisions: the role of facial beauty (Johnston, 2006), researchers evaluated female mating preferences in relation to their 2D:4D digit ratios. For those unfamiliar with this science, the ratio of the length of the index finger to the ring finger has been shown to correlate with a wide variety of abilities and preferences in both men and women. The ratio is a reliable indicator of the level of exposure to testosterone in utero. At 14 weeks gestation, when digit development occurs, the balance of androgen to estrogen signaling determines relative finger length. (There is no correlation to hormone levels in adults, this is strictly a prenatal occurrence.) [/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]Lower ratios indicate more exposure to testosterone. [/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]So what does it mean to have a low ratio if you are a woman? Females with a low 2D:4D ratio relative to other women:[/font][/font]
1. Are psychologically de-feminized, as indicated by a low score on the Bem Sex Role Inventory.
2. Are physiologically de-feminized, as indicated by less regular menstrual cycles.
3. Report poor bonding to fathers.
4. Report shorter intimate relationships with males.
5. Prefer more masculine faces at ovulation and for long-term relationships.
6. Like the male pheromone 4,16 – androstadien – 3 – 01. (Christmas gift idea for your sluttiest friends!)
7. Are promiscuous, scoring high for “unrestricted” sociosexuality on the SOI.
8. Have an impaired resistance to parasites. 
9. Feel more sexual attraction for facial androgen markers in males. 
10. Resist bonding to partners.
11. Have more risk-loving preferences.
12. Have more athletic potential.
13. Have lower verbal fluency, and lower levels of emotional behavior.
14. Are more likely to be left-handed.
15. Are more likely to experience same-sex attraction.

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif]In contrast, women with high ratios (more prenatal exposure to estrogen) tend to:[/font][/font]
  • Look stereotypically female: fuller lips, small jaw, large eyes.
  • Bond well to males
  • Be sexually reserved
  • Seek less masculinized faces during ovulation and for long-term relationships
which ones would more likely give birth to chads? the low 2d:4d ones would give their fetuses more prenatal T i suppose, so better sons, but worse daughters
 

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lltvyr said:
which ones would more likely give birth to chads? the low 2d:4d ones would give their fetuses more prenatal T i suppose, so better sons, but worse daughters
They are more likely to have boys than girls.

Prenatal T in women is very variable, and not as significant. Prenatal T in men, they get the most of it from their own testicles in the womb. Mothers don't usually have a lot of T floating around to influence the womb, unless she is really fat.
 

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Pip-boy 3000 said:
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which ones would more likely give birth to chads? the low 2d:4d ones would give their fetuses more prenatal T i suppose, so better sons, but worse daughters
They are more likely to have boys than girls.

Prenatal T in women is very variable, and not as significant. Prenatal T in men, they get the most of it from their own testicles in the womb. Mothers don't usually have a lot of T floating around to influence the womb, unless she is really fat.
but what kind of boys, is there a difference? chads or not?
 

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lltvyr said:
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They are more likely to have boys than girls.

Prenatal T in women is very variable, and not as significant. Prenatal T in men, they get the most of it from their own testicles in the womb. Mothers don't usually have a lot of T floating around to influence the womb, unless she is really fat.
but what kind of boys, is there a difference? chads or not?
Masculine women give birth to masculine men, yes. Masculine doesn't mean testosterone levels here.

Technically, high prenatal T is good development, but not neurotically. For a male, he can have good ball genetics and get all the prenatal T he needs.

On the other hand, a masculine high T high WHR woman pregnant with a tiny balled male fetus can still give him high T, but he will be a subhuman ugly brute, and not a chad. So it depends.
 

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Autism is correlated with high prenatal t. Just saynig
 
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Goldmine of a thread but how can you use any of this information to improve your current self?
 

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GeneticMistake said:
Goldmine of a thread but how can you use any of this information to improve your current self?
It's a redpill thread.

You can't.
 

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GeneticMistake said:
Goldmine of a thread but how can you use any of this information to improve your current self?
Depends on age and biological/phsycological makeup.

It's possible to make yourself more attractive by changing your hormonal profile, your behavior and social rank, and adding value signifiers that trigger womens sexual response.
 

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GeneticMistake said:
Goldmine of a thread but how can you use any of this information to improve your current self?
you can fake high testosterone
 

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RockstarAddict said:
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you can fake high testosterone
no you can't
You can fake enough of the behavioral and physiological traits to give to trigger sexual responses in women and that's all that matters.
 

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lono said:
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no you can't
You can fake enough of the behavioral and physiological traits to give to trigger sexual responses in women and that's all that matters.
Reminds me of my ancillary thread back on SH.

Might dig it up.
 

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Neck Brah said:
https://www.theguardian.com/science...ldiers-faces-predict-aggression-rank-children

[font=georgia, serif]Soldiers' faces predict aggression, military rank and number of children[/font]

[font=arial, sans-serif]New research suggests male soldiers' faces may predict their military rank and how many children they ultimately father[/font]









Low fWHR (narrow face) more likely to be a high ranking officer

A plot showing how rank changes with fWHR, showing that soldiers with wider faces tended to have a lower rank. To read the graph, pick a fWHR, and draw a vertical line. The proportion of the line that is in the red zone is the probability that a soldier with that fWHR would be enlisted. The grey shading shows the uncertainty around the lines.

 
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