How did Asian women's looks change so dramatically over the past 30 years?

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I was looking through graduating class pictures at my school. Up until 20 years ago every Asian woman had square brick skulls, masculine features, and their ethnic features were very pronounced. Each year after these features diminished up until last years graduating pictures where I noticed most displayed femininity and neoteny and their ethnic features were reduced.

Is this because of their diets that are very estrogenic... soy, etc, plus their use of birth control? Also, theoretically, could estrogen supplementation be a way for unattractive women in their teens to looksmax/look more feminine and neotenous then?
 

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Plastic surgery and racemixing, they likely carry less Asian genes with each generation.
 

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Worst looking asian women either have rabbit teeth + long mid face or protruding lower lids/eyebags due to flat upper mid face
 

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rotpill said:
Plastic surgery and racemixing, they likely carry less Asian genes with each generation.
Here's a group of South Korean women from the 70's

http://www.dw.com/image/0,,17289093_403,00.jpg

They are very primitive looking. Their ethnic features are pronounced and there is nothing neotenous, feminine, or pretty about them.

Here's a group of South Korean women today:

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/korean.jpg

There hasn't been enough time for race mixing to completely change the look of their population. It has only been one generation.

It has to be related to the diets (soy, etc.) and their high estrogen intake... especially their mothers prenatally, and theirs around puberty.
 

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IH8Ethnics said:
rotpill said:
Plastic surgery and racemixing, they likely carry less Asian genes with each generation.
Here's a group of South Korean women from the 70's

http://www.dw.com/image/0,,17289093_403,00.jpg

They are very primitive looking. Their ethnic features are pronounced and there is nothing neotenous, feminine, or pretty about them.

Here's a group of South Korean women today:

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/korean.jpg

There hasn't been enough time for race mixing to completely change the look of their population. It has only been one generation.

It has to be related to the diets (soy, etc.) and their high estrogen intake... especially their mothers prenatally, and theirs around puberty.

you're pitting peasants against celebrities. thats stupid

the simple reason is : their country went from a ruined shit hole to first world economy with top tier cosmetic industry ,so the women look less ugly with better nutrition, skincare, makeup (plastic surgery with some). even the some of the celebrities you showed still resemble those features, the average korean woman even more so
 

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coldfish said:
IH8Ethnics said:
Here's a group of South Korean women from the 70's

http://www.dw.com/image/0,,17289093_403,00.jpg

They are very primitive looking. Their ethnic features are pronounced and there is nothing neotenous, feminine, or pretty about them.

Here's a group of South Korean women today:

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/korean.jpg

There hasn't been enough time for race mixing to completely change the look of their population. It has only been one generation.

It has to be related to the diets (soy, etc.) and their high estrogen intake... especially their mothers prenatally, and theirs around puberty.

you're pitting peasants against celebrities. thats stupid

the simple reason is : their country went from a ruined shit hole to first world economy with top tier cosmetic industry ,so the women look less ugly with better nutrition, skincare, makeup (plastic surgery with some). even the some of the celebrities you showed still resemble those features, the average korean woman even more so
Explain how South Koreans look like North Koreans then. North Koreans have no cosmetic surgery and live off of a famine diet. What they do eat, however, is the same in the south: soy in everything - soy sauce, soy milk, soy rice, tofu, etc.

The average North Korean female looks more neotenous and feminine than they did a generation ago. Look at pictures of North Korean women from the 50's-80's and they have primitive features, exaggerated ethnic traits, more masculine and less neotenous, much like Vietnamese. Just do an image search for vintage Korean women pictures. This comes up

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/44/83/c84483dfcd5dff08dbf1440718193283.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/aa/e6/13/aae61342120379d536cbf8f7fa36d447.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nUt8bHmT88g/VjXoZdtdqKI/AAAAAAAAevU/XaMxNBKr-Sk/s1600/1.jpg

Pictures of random North Korean women today

http://www.boredpanda.com/woman-portrait-photography-noroc-michaela-north-korea/

They are obviously way more neotenous today.
 

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IH8Ethnics said:
coldfish said:
you're pitting peasants against celebrities. thats stupid

the simple reason is : their country went from a ruined shit hole to first world economy with top tier cosmetic industry ,so the women look less ugly with better nutrition, skincare, makeup (plastic surgery with some). even the some of the celebrities you showed still resemble those features, the average korean woman even more so
Explain how South Koreans look like North Koreans then. North Koreans have no cosmetic surgery and live off of a famine diet. What they do eat, however, is the same in the south: soy in everything - soy sauce, soy milk, soy rice, tofu, etc.

The average North Korean female looks more neotenous and feminine than they did a generation ago. Look at pictures of North Korean women from the 50's-80's and they have primitive features, exaggerated ethnic traits, more masculine and less neotenous, much like Vietnamese. Just do an image search for vintage Korean women pictures. This comes up

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c8/44/83/c84483dfcd5dff08dbf1440718193283.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/aa/e6/13/aae61342120379d536cbf8f7fa36d447.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nUt8bHmT88g/VjXoZdtdqKI/AAAAAAAAevU/XaMxNBKr-Sk/s1600/1.jpg

Pictures of random North Korean women today

http://www.boredpanda.com/woman-portrait-photography-noroc-michaela-north-korea/

They are obviously way more neotenous today.

It is entirely possible that there are environmental factors at play here, but there's obviously a great deal of selection bias going on as well. The last link is to a group of photos taken specifically for a project called "The Atlas of Beauty," meaning that the photographer was likely only taking photos of subjects she thought were attractive.



It's also important to note that the people chosen for certain jobs with potential exposure to foreigners, aren't representative of the general population in North Korea. Pretty much everything photographers are exposed to there is part of an elaborate facade.
 

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Google search Korean girls then. I didn't have to because they swarmed my city and I see them everyday and know they are a neotenous group. What surprised me is how non-neotenous they used to look and how their ethnic features used to be so pronounced.

This is from the SH wiki:



Left: Low E, Right: High E

Estrogen levels have subtle effects on how a woman's fat is distributed throughout her body, and it is most apparent on her face since it is easiest for humans to recognize subtle changes on the face. Estrogen levels also decrease with age, affecting a woman's facial fat distribution as she ages
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they didn't just start eating soy since the 70s. its been going on for centuries. and they certainly didn't switch to it exclusively in the last 30 years. i think thats just photographer cherry picking. the student at your school could be foreign born, meaning they're from wealthy families that can afford to send them oversea. and with lookism, the good-looking ones just get richer year after year
 

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Many people have claimed soybeans in Asia were historically only used after a fermentation process, which lowers the high phytoestrogens content found in the raw plant.
Maybe they stopped fermenting it?

Also soybean production rose in the 1990's because it could be used in many industrial products.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/1/44.long

The structure of South Korea's economy, along with the country's dietary and disease patterns, began an accelerated shift in the 1970s. Major dietary changes included a large increase in the consumption of animal food products
And maybe the consumption of meat is playing a role?
 

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I've been pointing this very thing out for years, OP. It's not *just* Asian women. Look at American women from the late 1800s and modern women. In the 1800s, most women(%90+) looked like men.

A HUGE part of this, is because of environment, diet, and exhaustion. I believe the reason is because of the additives in modern foods. It's making both women and men more feminine looking. I don't think this was by design, just a chance thing. Birth control as well, yes. 

And it happens to all races. I heard some people say that the reason black American women look so much better than actual African women is because they're mostly part white. While I think there is some truth to this, go take a look at African women. There is virtually NO cosmetic surgery anywhere in Africa. Women there are still living on $1-2 a day. But when you look at some of the countries like Ethiopia that have started seeing an influx of birth control, and western style diet, and look at the change. They looked like hairless apes about 30-40 years ago, and now all of a sudden, you have a decent portion(probably north of %10) who are cute. How did this magically happen in under 40 years? They're racially identical to what they were 40 years ago, but it went from a country where probably wasn't a single attractive native women, to having literally millions.

I've been working to figure out exactly what all goes into it. I still don't know everything, but I think working hard labor also plays into it. I think laboring as a child, causes you to grow up uglier. I can't prove it just yet, but every society I've seen, starts getting much prettier girls, first thing they stop working them in the fields, and toss them in school.

It may even have something to do with clustering people into groups. Is it possible that when surrounded by other children, our bodies literally seek to become "prettier" as a way to compete and survive? I don't know what mechanism would cause this, but I know something is up. Women are vastly more beautiful around the entire world than at any other point in history. I don't know exactly what's behind it, but I have ideas.
 

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Masculine vs feminine: it comes down to the jaws, particularly the mandible. Women with wide mandibles and large chins are going to be seen as uglier. Even someone like Angelina Jolie, she has appealing features but some men are turned off by her due to her jawline... someone like Megan Fox has more universal appeal because of slimmer jaw.

I still think it's genetics. In families where the parents had better facial development and the children less so, the distrophy is seen in the middle third, meaning their mid faces are flatter, they have flatter cheekbones and bigger noses or if they are asian, the flatness includes the nose region too but surprisingly they will retain the wideness jaws same as the parents.

In conclusion,
Robust middle third and maxilla  = attractive
Robust, large mandible and overdeveloped chin = female shrek
 
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I think it is really a variety of factors. Better diet, easier lives, less opium, and the rise of makeup and surgery. Just look at what Asians look like before and after makeup.


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=k...ff&tbm=isch&q=asians++before+and+after+makeup

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=k...f&tbm=isch&q=koreans+before+and+after+surgery
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Also there is a big selection bias as you can see from looking at somewhere like Singapore which is more first world but isn't as effected by the plastic surgery craze and looking at rich "gangnam' girls from Korea who have surgery that makes them look alike

As so:

SIngapore


http://images.stompverticals.stomp..../gallery/2016/02/IMG_0020_0.jpg?itok=DdIyaZ6L

Http://images.stompverticals.stomp....086236907965560336_o.jpg?itok=osadoIwg[/SIZE]

Gangnam korea

https://leoarena.files.wordpress.co...7366224730545_5335699955787921641_n.jpg?w=960
 

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Plastic surgery, braces and selection bias. The average gook woman still looks like the first pic with huge jaws and bimax protrusion.
 

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Plastic surgery and makeup. The average gook woman still looks like shit. 
Also, 
Notice asian women are redpilled about features but a lot of them especially unattractive asian girls don't know the importance of bone structure. You can have nice eyes, nice nose but with narrow, recessed jaw you're still unattractive to men. Their narrow jaws combined with recessed chin and fat cheeks make them automatically sub5.
 

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well first of all those modern north korean pics you're using are explicitly of beautiful women only, whereas the historical ones are random. but anyway, it is true that women's estrogen levels are going up worldwide as is evidenced by massively increasing breast size(seven when accounting for weight) and the earlier onset of puberty. it's mostly due to agricultural waste putting xenoestrogens in the water(sounds crazy but google it, it's established science), which are usually not filtered out by water cleaning plants. then the rest of it is mostly birth control.

also plastic surgery is insanely common in south korea. there's no stigma around it like there is over here. any girl that needs it gets it over there.
 
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