Get dentures, dental implantates or crowns to raise lower 3rd!

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Get dentures or huge dental implantates or crowns, if you feel like you're missing bone from maxilla or mandibula. Easiest way to raise the lowerd 3rd imo. You can get however big teeth you want that way and they can add very good structure to the face. Cheap, safe and fast.

 

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too bad the upper jaw will have eroded by then. if it gets this bad might as well give up on your face.
 

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"The mechanisms by which patients' signs of facial ageing are reversed are based on the fact that both muscles and bone respond to mechanical signals. Bone cells depend on muscle activity and muscles in turn respond to stretch. Stretch of the muscle fibres induces increased protein activity and causes muscular hypertrophy and change in muscle fibre composition, which in turn causes increased strain on the bones. This leads to an increase in the bone density due to the activity of the osteocytes, a change in the architecture of the bone and an increase in periosteal thickening. Stretch of the muscle fibres also induces release of mechano-growth-factor (MGF) and insulin growth factor (IGF 1).17 This increased cellular activity seems to lead to an increased vascularity in the tissues and also prevents apoptosis."

"Of the people who replied to the questionnaire, 26.8% had noticed an improvement in their eyes. This usually consists of reduction of the loose skin above the upper eyelid and a reduction of the fatty deposits underneath the lower eyelid. A number of patients commented on the tightening of the soft tissue above the upper eyelid, so that it no longer touched the eyelashes, and found an improvement in applying make-up to the area. The lateral droop at the corner of the eyes also improved and there was an improvement in the lateral rhytids in this region. This results in an improvement in the 'sad' looking eyes of old age. The eyes appear much brighter, bigger and more youthful. The above changes may be due to increased fat metabolism that takes place when the facial muscles are being worked harder. The stretched skin may produce more collagen with improved elasticity. In vitro experiments show that skin fibroblasts do not respond to physiological levels of strain but do produce new collagen when stretched beyond the normal levels of stretch.18In vivo studies may give different results."

"The improvement in the jaw line is related to the improvement in the chin and tightening of the facial skin. It could be that there is a reduction in the amount of the accumulation of subcutaneous fat, which produces jowls or perhaps redistribution of facial fat as muscle hypertrophy changes the fat to muscle ratio.19 The facial skin improves because of the stretching of the facial mask but there seems to be an improvement in the thickness of the skin itself. This may be due to increased collagen production, improved elasticity and improved blood flow to the skin.
The improvement in the vermilion show is probably due again to a number of factors. Muscle hypertrophy possibly plays a role in the improved vermilion show. Increasing the vertical dimension increases the height of the smile window and reduces the width of the smile, which will also increase vermilion show. The positioning of the anterior teeth and the thickness of the anterior buccal flange, in complete denture patients, will also influence the vermilion show.
The improvement in the cheeks is probably due to improvement in muscle tone and mass but in the long term there may be some remodelling of the bone.20"


Some serious theories how it's possible to change the muscle, skin, whole connective tissue and bone of the face easily. I think I'm getting this kind of help from my dentist, because there's room in my mouth for bigger teeth. For those whose lips barely touch when the teeth are occluded this isn't possible of course. You must have room between your teeth while the lips touch for this method.
 

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Well if you have to force them together in that position, then it's not the case probably. You can't spend the rest of your life straining your orbicularis oris.
 

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How much room do you have between your molars? If it's more than 4 mm a dentist can help you. Even 1 mm may be considered optimal sometimes though, so there may be some room for building more teeth.
 

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If you're like the left guy, you can get help this way.
 

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Or you can just get a plastic removable orthotic. Say to your orthodontist that you have temporomandibular joint pain for example. Just throw it away, if you're sick of it and that's it. Very easy. Nothing permanent nor invasive.
 

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http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v192/n3/full/4801324a.html

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  • This study looked at 96 patients whose facial aesthetics had been improved by increasing the vertical dimension of occlusion.
  • To substantiate the subjective view of the patients, an independent panel also looked at the patients' pictures.
  • According to the views of the patients and the panel, nearly 80% of patients were thought to look 5 to 20 years younger. The improvement related to the whole range of facial features (eyes, nose, cheeks, lips and skin) not just the lower face.
  • This treatment is non-surgical, and gives the natural improvement which some patients prefer to cosmetic surgery.
  • This improvement in facial aesthetics is a truly anti-ageing process and opens new avenues for further research."

Read! It changes the whole face, not only the lower 3rd. There was a study done on noticing the length gain of lowerd 3rd. If I remember right it concluded that people don't notice smaller than 6 mm changes. But that doesn't mean it doesn't change facial attractiveness. Remember that a normalfag sees the face as a whole and doesn't look on single attributes alone. A member from this forum can definitely spot an rise of 4 mm already. I definitely do. Just because we don't acknowledge to ourselves that we use something to assess the beauty doesn't mean we really don't. People also say they don't assess symmetry, but they really do. People even tell beauty doesn't matter at all.

Nautical said:
Going to see a specialist orthodontist next week to discuss opening up my bite and adding lower third length, but i doubt it will be possible without surgery. If you already have appropriately long teeth but the maxilla itself is short and recessed (in my case) theres fuck all changing the teeth can do - you have to move BONE

fking bone law

Good. Me too.
 

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For people with this kind of profile (deep labiomental fold, protruding lips, short lower 3rd), it will definitely help.
 

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I'm not saying you get this kind of result, but close perhaps yes. Just ignore the second picture. I'm just saying that this kind of face indicates the need for this kind of treatment.
 

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Nautical said:
Going to see a specialist orthodontist next week to discuss opening up my bite and adding lower third length, but i doubt it will be possible without surgery. If you already have appropriately long teeth but the maxilla itself is short and recessed (in my case) theres fuck all changing the teeth can do - you have to move BONE

fking bone law
Any update on this?
I have a deep bite/overbite too. I think it contributes to my weak lower third. Slightly short face.
But like you say, I kind of can't work out in my head how 'fixing' my bite with braces will have any effect on my face at all!
 

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PucciBoi said:
don't do this.

it'll make your face longer by lengthen the teeth.
And what's so bad about that? Chad also has big teeth. You need them.
 

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lltvyr said:
PucciBoi said:
don't do this.

it'll make your face longer by lengthen the teeth.
And what's so bad about that? Chad also has big teeth. You need them.
Lengthening your bite unnaturally will vertically elongate your face. You don't want it.
 

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PucciBoi said:
lltvyr said:
And what's so bad about that? Chad also has big teeth. You need them.
Lengthening your bite unnaturally will vertically elongate your face. You don't want it.
Well I do because I have a short lower 3rd.
 

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lltvyr said:
PucciBoi said:
Lengthening your bite unnaturally will vertically elongate your face. You don't want it.
Well I do because I have a short lower 3rd.
You'll be unhappy. Trust me, putting anything between your teeth will lengthen the actual bone, as in your face (not your lower jaw) will get longer to compensate for the "longer teeth". It's the same concept as mewing, your long teeth will create a new posture and the skull will be forced to grow vertically to accommodate. What you want to do is pretty much the same as "mouth open posture", this is why you're supposed to keep your teeth touching lightly together to prevent downward growth.

Do not do it.
 

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PucciBoi said:
lltvyr said:
Well I do because I have a short lower 3rd.
You'll be unhappy. Trust me, putting anything between your teeth will lengthen the actual bone, as in your face (not your lower jaw) will get longer to compensate for the "longer teeth". It's the same concept as mewing, your long teeth will create a new posture and the skull will be forced to grow vertically to accommodate. What you want to do is pretty much the same as "mouth open posture", this is why you're supposed to keep your teeth touching lightly together to prevent downward growth.

Do not do it.
So if my teeth are touching together, I won't get downward growth? Actually I need downward growth. My teeth never touch in rest position and the bone hasn't still started filling the space unfortunately. And as we know the freeway space is supposed to be 2--4 mm-s.
 

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lltvyr said:
PucciBoi said:
You'll be unhappy. Trust me, putting anything between your teeth will lengthen the actual bone, as in your face (not your lower jaw) will get longer to compensate for the "longer teeth". It's the same concept as mewing, your long teeth will create a new posture and the skull will be forced to grow vertically to accommodate. What you want to do is pretty much the same as "mouth open posture", this is why you're supposed to keep your teeth touching lightly together to prevent downward growth.

Do not do it.
So if my teeth are touching together, I won't get downward growth? Actually I need downward growth. My teeth never touch in rest position and the bone hasn't still started filling the space unfortunately. And as we know the freeway space is supposed to be 2--4 mm-s.
I will try to persuade you but can believe me or not.

#1) A taller lower third will look more masculine, but not necessarily more attractive.
2)A short lower third is not unattractive. What's not attractive is a flat, non-forward projecting mandible and chin.

Mewing = good oral posture = tongue on palate, teeth together as close as possible, lips sealed. Doing anything but this is bad posture.

Mouth open posture is bad. What you want to do put an object between your teeth, your bite, to raise your lower third. That's almost as bad as mouth open posture. Your muscles will get longer, forcing your midface (maxilla, cheekbones) to get longer, thus giving you unsightly downward growth. Your chin will not lengthen at all.
 
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