every NEETS wet dream: getting money for just being alive

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Been hearing/reading about this concept for a while now. The future is coming, boyos.
 

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I smell propaganda, don't know the political scene in Finland but this shit definitely smells like propaganda
 

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There is no way to stop this, or something similar to this, happening in the long term. Capitalism as we know it is going to go away. The way we look at jobs will change. There is so much change coming.
 

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this is already in place, it's called benefits

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IceCutter said:
this is already in place, it's called benefits

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NEETS obviously live off some kind of government benefits or their parents, but it's not the same thing as a basic income that EVERYONE in society gets unconditionally.
 

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I talked about universal basic income in another thread a few days ago. Republicans like hood rych and Libertarians laughed it off because they think that it will discourage people to work. They think low-value workers will quit their jobs and collect bux and that chronically unemployed workers with low-value will stay unemployed because there's not enough incentive to work.

I suggested that every family should be guaranteed a universal basic income (adjusted for family size. For eg. A single mom with 1 child would get 41% more in benefits than a single unattached adult. To cover the costs for her child. A childless couple would also get 41% more in benefits (together, not each) than the single adult if they file their taxes jointly. If they file their taxes separately, they would get about 70-71% of what a single unattached adult would get. Because when a couple splits expenses both-ways in a household, it's cheaper than each person living alone)

I suggested that everyone be guaranteed 60% of the median income (OECD poverty line cut-off). Or at the very least, 50% of the median income (old OECD poverty line cut-off). And I got shouted down by the Republicans and Libertarians for even suggesting this.

Considering that only about 5.4% of Danes (Denmark has one of the biggest welfare states in the world) live below the 50% of median poverty line (12.3% below the 60%), our goal should be to at least guarantee people 40% of the median income in order for our welfare state to at least be somewhere on Denmark's level. And then give poor people (below 60% of median) an incentive bonus for earning market income (working or investment income). Like say 1/3 of a dollar/euro for every dollar/euro they earn in the market up to the poverty line. No one below the poverty threshold would pay any tax. And then I would tax all income above the poverty threshold by a flat tax.

So if the median income hypothetically was $35k and you earned $0 in market income, you'd be guaranteed $14k (40%). Which is similar to working minimum wage in America ($7.25/hr) full-time.
If you earned $10.5k in market income, your income would be topped up to $17.5k ($14k guarantee + $3.5k bonus. So basically $10.5k market income, $7k in benefits).
If you earned $21k in market income, you wouldn't receive any benefit payments because you hit the poverty threshold.
If you earned $50k market income and the flat tax above the poverty threshold was say 30%, you'd pay $8.7k in taxes (17.4% tax wedge) and obviously get no universal income benefits.
If you earned $75k market income, you'd pay $16.2k in taxes (21.6% tax wedge)
If you earned $1 million market income, you'd pay $293.7k in taxes (29.37% tax wedge)

This system would give the poor a basic standard of living while also being fair to the middle-class and rich.
 

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Oh I just noticed that Finland uses the Euro.

*Antonio Banderas gif*

I would NOT recommend expansion of the welfare state if you have zero control over monetary supply. If you're a eurozone country, you can't be anything but neo-liberal in policy. Because if you raise spending, you have to raise taxes. And that's not a good idea with Europe's shit economy right now. When you control both fiscal AND monetary policy, you have a lot more flexibility with what you can do to manage the national economy. I think the EUROzone should be disbanded because it's complete bullshit. Greece doesn't even have a democracy anymore. They are at the whim of that butch lesbian retard Angela Merkel who is forcing austerity down Greece's throat (which does nothing but destroy Greece's economy and makes their debt problems worse).

The United States of America, Canada, the UK, Australia and Japan could EASILY introduce a universal basic income if they make sure inflation doesn't go out of control (considering how shit the economy is, that shouldn't be too difficult). Because we have control over our own monetary supply.
 

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gottaplay said:
just lol @ canadian talking about eurozone. greece cucks the whole europe and NOTHING will be done about it. they just cant lose greece because its a member of nato
What are you talking about? That lesbian Angela Merkel basically told Greece: AUSTERITY or no more Euros for you. And Syriza caved in to her demands even though 61% of Greece said NO to the austerity package.

Honestly if I was Syriza I would have posed this question to the Greeks in a referendum

Bailout Package with Austerity
OR
Leave Eurozone and Bring Back the Drachma

Because the bottom line those were the only two options left to them. And IMO, I think a lot more Greeks would choose to bend over and take it from Merkel rather than go back to the Drachma. 61% of Greece said no to austerity. But something like 83-84% of Greece wants to keep the EURO according to polls...

I would have preferred that Greece (I'm Portuguese so I have a stake in this too. I want Portugal to leave the Eurozone as well. Because it's painful seeing my people get cucked by those eurofags in Brussels and Germany) to leave the eurozone and face the music (low-value currency, expensive as fuck imports). Greece NEEDS to revive their industrial sector ASAP. What the fuck does Greece even offer economically? Tourism, Ouzo, Shipping. LOL. Like what the fuck. Portugal too doesn't produce enough shit. They are yet another small country that is heavily reliant on imports. But they are in better shape on the production front than Greece from what I recall.
 
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Getting paid for doing nothing because some robots will do all the work seems too good to be true
 

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I'm not a republican franco, stop trying to slander me all day like a butt hurt little child. Faggot.
 

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gottaplay said:
alien said:
What are you talking about? That lesbian Angela Merkel basically told Greece: AUSTERITY or no more Euros for you. And Syriza caved in to her demands even though 61% of Greece said NO to the austerity package.

Honestly if I was Syriza I would have posed this question to the Greeks in a referendum

Bailout Package with Austerity
OR
Leave Eurozone and Bring Back the Drachma

Because the bottom line those were the only two options left to them. And IMO, I think a lot more Greeks would choose to bend over and take it from Merkel rather than go back to the Drachma. 61% of Greece said no to austerity. But something like 83-84% of Greece wants to keep the EURO according to polls...



you only know what fox and cnn feed you. just lol @ you subhuman. 50% of young people dont even work in greece. it doesnt matter what bullshit capialists demand. its a creditors problem not greece's

how can they work if there are no jobs for them?
 

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gottaplay said:
alien said:
What are you talking about? That lesbian Angela Merkel basically told Greece: AUSTERITY or no more Euros for you. And Syriza caved in to her demands even though 61% of Greece said NO to the austerity package.

Honestly if I was Syriza I would have posed this question to the Greeks in a referendum

Bailout Package with Austerity
OR
Leave Eurozone and Bring Back the Drachma

Because the bottom line those were the only two options left to them. And IMO, I think a lot more Greeks would choose to bend over and take it from Merkel rather than go back to the Drachma. 61% of Greece said no to austerity. But something like 83-84% of Greece wants to keep the EURO according to polls...

you only know what fox and cnn feed you. just lol @ you subhuman. 50% of young people dont even work in greece. it doesnt matter what bullshit capialists demand. its a creditors problem not greece's
You are a retard. I have read the Greek Finance Minister's latest book on the Greek Financial Crisis. And read another Greek Financial Crisis book published last year by another author. And I have done a lot of research on the internet. I am very well-informed about the Greek Financial Crisis. More so than you. I at least do productive things while I am NEET like reading economics books. While you low-IQ fucking morons just fap, watch comedies and eat Cheetos. My high-functioning autism compels me to find productive activities fascinating (it's just that I can't stand normalfags, that's why I don't actually provide a service to society).

Greece got cucked hardcore by austerity. The number of Greeks below the poverty line grew substantially after the introduction of austerity. Their economy contracted big time. Pensions being reduced. Unemployed young adults living off their grandparents' pensions. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You think Greece is having a party or something? Didn't you notice all the young people throwing molotov cocktails at police in Athens?
 

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gottaplay said:
you are a canadian. i remind you again to be smartass about europe. greeks were getting pensions off dead people. of course it was going to get reduced lmao. and greeks live with their parents, its a cultural thing in greece and italy
I live with my parents too (dad). But my dad provides me with shelter and allows me to eat from his refrigerator/freezer. If I want to purchase junk food, fast food or entertainment, I have to spend my own money. When I go see my dentist or have to get prescription drugs or pay for out-of-pocket health care, I have to spend my own money. I have to pay for my auto insurance and maintenance. I have cell phone service to pay for as well (though I only spend about $15/month for unlimited texting and have prepaid calls and data when I actually use it). I actually have savings and I have a social safety net (for now) from the Canadian government in order to pay for these things though. What do Greek NEETs have right now with this austerity bullshit? I live in a sovereign nation. Greeks are cuckolds to the EU.

When you're a Greek NEET and you get no unemployment insurance, no social assistance, no disability, nothing and you don't have any savings, what the fuck are you going to do for entertainment? Their poor grandparents have a reduced pension. And they have to pay for their grandsons' food and allow them to live in their home rent-free and pay for their grandson's broadband internet... If my dad didn't have a comfortable private pension and a RRSP nest egg (private retirement fund) in addition to whatever he gets from the Canadian government, you think he'd be as patient with me? It's only a matter of time before those Greek grandparents, with their reduced pensions, 23% VAT on consumption (LOL) and tighter finances, get frustrated with their NEET grandsons and kick them out on the street.

This whole austerity thing is fucking retarded. Greece is fucked over no matter what. Their Debt-to-GDP is too insane. They have to default no matter what IMO. But if Angela Merkel gave Greece a break and provided Greece with a fiscal policy package that would expand Greece's economy, the Greeks would have had some sort of HOPE.


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I'm not a republican franco, stop trying to slander me all day like a butt hurt little child. Faggot.
Then why are you opposed to autismbux? Autists are disabled. 80% of adults with Asperger's are unemployed. And far more are underemployed. I'm pretty much unemployable (and I doubt they would actually approve me for disability. Because they are very stingy with disability benefits now. Our social safety net is more like America than Europe these days. I'm on unemployment insurance, which is not the same as disability. And that runs out). Unless the market or the government introduces autism employment initiatives (I'm aware of the Microsoft program in Redmond, Washington. But I'm not American. I can't legally work in America unless I were approved for a foreign visa worker program.) Or unless I run into an employer who is actually understanding of my condition and can provide accommodations (my last employer told me that she couldn't take me off the phone lines. So I had to quit before I had another autism meltdown or a heart attack).

Telling the interviewer straight up that I have high-functioning autism would pretty much be my only hope of getting a job. Up to date I've always decided not to disclose for fear of discrimination and then interviewers would always assume I'm incompetent when I speak. I even sought help from my school program advisor with interviews. But typical interview advice for normalfags doesn't work for autists. In University, I let my writing do my talking for me. Which is why I did well with completing essay assignments and had a high GPA in school.

It's a miracle that I even know how to drive, that I even held down a job for more than a year (I got in with connections though) and that I've managed to get laid. I'm one of the lucky autists (this is why I'm afraid that the government would deem be too able to get disability). But in the free market, I get discriminated against hardcore anyway.
 

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@alien 



Didn't I just tell you to stop trying to slander me and keep my name out of your mouth bitch boy?
 

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This sounds fucking great in theory, but to be honest I dont think it will work that well in practise, due to human nature.
 

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RealRob said:
This sounds fucking great in theory, but to be honest I dont think it will work that well in practise, due to human nature.
I think in a country like America, it will be resisted because of the culture. In a socialist country like Denmark or Finland, there will be more public support of the idea of a universal basic income.

If you are going to implement a universal basic income, most of that money is going to circulate in the economy that same month. Let's face it, poverty line incomes = hand to mouth living for the most part. The vast majority of the money you get from your monthly cheque will get spent within that month. Except when you save for big-ticket purchases or a big bill that you don't pay every month (ie. dental bill, auto maintenance bill. I pay my auto insurance once a year instead of monthly so that I don't have to pay 5% interest to my insurance company.)

So with the poor being given money (which will flood the market with new money), you're going to have to introduce fiscal policy that will contract how much money the middle-class and rich pour into the economy in order to keep inflation to 2% or less (this is usually accomplished with increased taxation).

But you have to be careful with this. Because you could end up contracting the economy more than you intended and create deflation and recession. And obviously the middle-class and rich are going to resist higher taxes in America. This isn't Denmark where the middle-class and rich are more tolerant of higher taxes.

Tax too little and you will have inflation and the rich, pensioners and unemployed will scream (someone like me with no debts and unemployed does not want high inflation obviously). The middle-class mortgage/credit card debt cuckolds will love inflation. If they have a decent enough IQ to figure out that inflation devalues their private household debt (which is good for them).

Tax too much and you can cause deflation and implode the economy.

You have to get it just right. Like Goldilocks. So that the economy can prosper.
 
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Jews rule the world, and they will NEVER allow goyim to not work and get paid for it

We are their slaves
 
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