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Anti-communism is based on lies and fabrications

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It's all liberals/liberal media does.
Tell lies on top of lies on top of lies when the topic is concerning communism.


*Holodomor is literally Nazi propaganda straight out the filthy mouth of Goebbels. 

*The term "totalitarian" is a meaningless buzzword created by right-wingers during the cold war to falsely and baselessly compare the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany. This term puts the USA on the throne of "enlightened centrism" by putting together the far left and the far right in this ridiculous horseshoe theory.

*The term "authoritarian" is also a meaningless buzzword. All forms of state are authoritarian, the state is a tool of oppression. In capitalism it's the working class who is repressed. In socialism it's the capitalist class who's repressed.

*Stalin never killed a billion people, neither did Mao. Neither of them were capable of controlling the weather. Stalin didn't eat all the grain or drink the clouds. While there's well documented evidence the holocaust happened and population statistics show it did, there's nothing of the sort when it comes to the liberal narrative of Stalin being someone who killed 100 billion people. Practically all the stuff you'll hear slandering Stalin's good name is stuff that came from Khrushchev's lie-ridden "Secret Speech" (Look up "Khrushchev Lied" by Grover Furr), or the Cold War propagandists Robert Conquest and McCarthy if it's not simply made up on the spot.

*Stalin wasn't a dictator. He was seen as the disciple of Lenin and was elected by the people, and he didn't even have absolute power. There were many times in politics where things didn't go his way, one example being in the 1930s when he wanted to appoint Melankov as head of the NKVD, but the Presidisium outvoted him and appointed Beria instead. He also attempted to resign from his position 4 times but was denied by the other CCCP members every single attempt.

*Gulags weren't these death sentence concentration camps. They were simple prisons which existed under Tsarist rule (and they had much worse conditions before the USSR came about), where workers were paid for their labor+had days taken off their sentence if they worked well. The number of inmates is grossly exaggerated by Western media, the vast majority of inmates were actual criminals, and the vast majority didn't die in the gulags. Modern US prisons are the ones which hold 25% of the worlds prison population, and do have slave labor and the legal torture that is solitary confinement (+what goes on in Guantanamo). It's only because of propaganda and brainwashing that US prisons aren't called labor camps.

*The Soviet Union wasn't constantly having famines. They had two, or three if you count the one caused by the civil war+WW1 in the early 1920s. The famine of 1932 was caused by bad weather and kulaks killing livestock/burning grain/sabotaging farm equipment to resist collectivization, and the famine of 1947 was caused by the destruction of World War 2 (the Soviet Union suffered the most casualties and was hit harder than any other country by this war). CIA documents show that the Soviet people actually had a diet even more nutritious than the that of US citizens. Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom ... 0009-5.pdf

*In socialism, people are not all paid the same. They're paid according to the quantity and quality of their work. Socialists however do believe that all workers deserve a livable wage.

I'm sure I can think of more later, but I'm tired right now. I'll leave it with this quote by Enver Hoxha:
"No library could hold all the books, magazines, newspapers and other publications which attack Marxism-Leninism, no one can calculate or even imagine the quantity and extent of the anti-communist propaganda of imperialism."
 

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Stalin killed more communists than all other capitalist states combined.

He would send you to the gulags for the vulgar display of serviltude in this thread.
 

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CHAD: social democracy ie. US circa 1950-1980, Germany, low countries, Scandinavia.

INCEL: everything else.
 

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striker3.0_REFURBISHED said:
read two hundred years together by Solzhenitsyn

Why not read his original he wrote in '68 the little faggot denied ever writing called  “Jews in the USSR and in the Future Russia” aka «Евреи в СССР и в будущей России».
 
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elmoggerino said:
striker3.0_REFURBISHED said:
read two hundred years together by Solzhenitsyn

Why not read his original he wrote in '68 the little faggot denied ever writing called  “Jews in the USSR and in the Future Russia” aka «Евреи в СССР и в будущей России».

of course he denied it because he wanted to minimize the smear campaign against him that would've ensued.

doesn't mean what he writes isn't true
 

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Venezuela is rich on oil yet its a poor country. Why? because its a communist shithole. 

Singapore and Hong Kong are rich despite that they dont have any natural resources. Why? because their economies are freemarket capitalist. 

Communism creates poverty while free market capitalism creates wealth. Milton Friedman is a god! may him rest in jannah inshallah.
 

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bajskorven said:
Venezuela is rich on oil yet its a poor country. Why? because its a communist shithole. 

Singapore and Hong Kong are rich despite that they dont have any natural resources. Why? because their economies are freemarket capitalist. 

Communism creates poverty while free market capitalism creates wealth. Milton Friedman is a god! may him rest in jannah inshallah.

Stalin was the greatest leader of the century. He took a semi feudal country into outer space within 30 years while defeating the strongest army in history in the meantime.
 

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I don't really want to get into it.

But you have no idea of what you are talking about.

If you are defending totalitarianism and dictatorship while claiming to be a communist.
Then you're retarded or trolling.

I hate communism.
But I am aware that communism does not strive for Stalinism as a goal.
 

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Supreme Cunt said:
Stalin killed more communists than all other capitalist states combined.

He would send you to the gulags for the vulgar display of serviltude in this thread.

Stalin never killed anyone. The only deaths in the Soviet Union you can attribute to state violence are those in the purges which targeted the fifth column and counter-revolutionaries, where 750,000 died. Of course, many were killed who shouldn't have been, and Stalin realized this (he/the party sent letters and telegrams to locales to reign in the excesses). Despite that, history shows that the purges were in fact necessary. There were many conspirators who were liberal minded and even fascists who were planning to stage a coup at whatever moment after WW2 came along. Many of the executions were also carried out under the orders of Yezhov, the NKVD head who wanted for people to distrust the CCCP and to make Stalin look bad. Yezhov was part of a plot to overthrow Stalin, and was later found guilty of his traitorous crimes and executed after confessing. After Yezhov was executed, arrest and execution numbers dropped drastically, many of those innocents who Yezhov had arrested were also released.

As for how many anti-communism (not capitalism itself, or else the number would be far higher) in particular has killed though..? let's see:
https://www.reddit.com/r/shitliberalssay/wiki/anticommunismkills
This is a list about killings that were motivated by anticommunism. It does not include killings incidentally carried out by anticommunists (e.g. the Italo‐Ethiopian War). Despite its name, anticommunism normally affects not only communists but all other socialists as well, and often even just anybody sympathetic to socialism. Sometimes it also affects ethnicities, such as Chinese people, Jews, Mayans, and Serbs. As such, the actual tendency of the victims here is of minor relevance; what matters the most is the perpetrators’ motivations or causes.

Most of these killings were done directly; head‐to‐head. The only exceptions are fourfold: deaths caused by imperialist blockades or sanctions such as those on the RSFSR (1918–1921), Leningrad (early 1940s), the Republic of Cuba (1990s), the Republic of Iraq (1990s), the DPRK (1990s), and the FRY (1990s); deaths caused by explosives that detonated later than anticipated; deaths linked to nuclear weapons testing in the Cold War‐era United States; and deaths linked to comprehensive ‘decommunization’ programmes that antisocialists imposed on Easterners. Even if these indirect causes were subtracted, the total would still be well over fifty million. The total itself is composed using only the minimum of every statistic (with the exception of the disputable case of the Gulf Wars). Unspecified amounts, uncited guesses, and millions of hypothetical beings are excluded from this calculation.

...

Total: no less than 66,565,392.

Pessimistic estimate (all maxima added together): ∼111,619,340.

At least 66 million.


bajskorven said:
Venezuela is rich on oil yet its a poor country. Why? because its a communist shithole. 

Singapore and Hong Kong are rich despite that they dont have any natural resources. Why? because their economies are freemarket capitalist. 

Communism creates poverty while free market capitalism creates wealth. Milton Friedman is a god! may him rest in jannah inshallah.

Venezuela's economy is mostly private and it's in no way socialist. Venezuela's problems are caused more by it relying too much on oil, and so oil prices dropping has harmed them significantly (oil made up 80% of their national income I believe). That and of course sanctions/economic terrorism on part of the capitalist world.

Hong Kong and Singapore are absolutely terrible and characterized by some of the worst income inequality in the world:
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It's a basic fact that socialism provides a better quality of life for the working class people. It took the Soviet Union from Feudalism to space travel in 40 years. Soviets were responsible for the first satellite, rocket, space walk, man, woman, animal, space station, moon and mars probes. The USSR also had continuous economic growth for 70 years, being the 2nd fastest growing economy of the 20th century. They had free education, very low homelessness, low unemployment, 99% literacy (1/3~4 were illiterate during the Tsarist times), and raised the average life expectancy from 32 years in 1897, to 44 years in 1927, and then to 69 years by the late 50s.


Cuba, despite having an embargo that violates human rights placed on them by the most powerful/rich country in the world, has the 6th highest HDI in all of Latin America. Cuba also has higher life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate, and a higher amount of doctors per capita than the USA. All that as well as free education and healthcare +very low illiteracy/homelessness/unemployment.

According to this paper socialist countries almost always provide a higher physical quality of life then their capitalist counterparts at equal levels of economic development.

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ManWhoreofBabylon said:
didnt read


best communist is dead communist


 
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What's the point? This is all a 19th century discussion. Might as well argue about the best type of horse shoe to put on your horse.

Pretty soon there will be no workers at all.
 

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champagnepapi said:
What's the point? This is all a 19th century discussion. Might as well argue about the best type of horse shoe to put on your horse.

Pretty soon there will be no workers at all.

:bean:
 

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champagnepapi said:
What's the point? This is all a 19th century discussion. Might as well argue about the best type of horse shoe to put on your horse.

Pretty soon there will be no workers at all.

Fair point.

I think communists, nationalists and capitalists will do their best to sabotage this just to remain relevant and not end up in the dustbin of history.
 
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