Black Pill AdultSocialSkills.com was by far the most incel-relevant site there was

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Too bad the site has been off for some quite time now. There were couple of threads dedicated to the site on here back in 2017 or so. It's still accessible via archive.org, so you should check it, it's straightforward, no bs. Great site.

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Examining the lives of loner adults who have given up on putting effort into making friends and finding partners/relationships
After being rejected socially for years, loners will often quit trying to talk to people and no longer seek friendships and relationships. The pain associated with being unwanted, combined with the years of wasted effort that have been invested in trying to make friends and gain relationships often leads to them concluding that trying is not worth it anymore. They have invited people, asked about plans, texted people with no reply, had people flake on them and waste their time so often and so consistently that they essentially say “the hell with it”. Women are tired of hot guys disappearing after sex and men are tired of putting effort into people and getting nothing in return

How does a loner’s behavior and looks change after they have given up?

Loners (both men and women) will typically stop caring about their appearance. They no longer bother trying to dress nice and instead dress comfy. They may also not put effort into personal grooming. The biggest factor is weight gain. If there is no social benefit to be derived from controlling their eating and spending money on their appearance, then why restrict oneselvelf for nothing? No matter how hard they try the result is the same: rejection, loneliness, and wasted effort.

Along with the weight gain and physical appearance changes, the loner’s personality will often change for the worse. They become bitter and more selfish. They will be less likely to feel empathy for other people. They also will grow more paranoid of other people – sometimes even thinking that someone or some authority (police) are out to get them. Some will begin to gain a paranoia over potential health problems, being a victim or a crime, or other fears.

As the loner gives up, and as their appearance and personality go downhill, they will sometimes look to professionals for help. Often medication such as antidepressants are prescribed to help deal with the isolation in their lives. In 2014, drugs like Wellbutrin, Lexapro/Cipralex are being prescribed more and more often to chemically replace the happiness missing from social interaction.

Defensiveness in the attitudes of adult loners with no friends

Loners not only project bitterness towards other people, they also, as a defense mechanism to being perceived as a failure, be the first people to declare how happy, successful, or well off they are. This bragging not only comes across as unusual (and pathetic) to normal people, it is normally seen as an indicator of weakness. People who are happy with their lives don’t have to go out of their way to try to tell people – they are too busy being happy.

Trying to overcompensate for what their lives are lacking not only signals to the world that the person is an obvious weak minded loser, it also makes the person even more unlikable. This becomes another part of the cycle as the person grows fatter, more bitter, more annoying, and less likable.

Does being a loner and facing constant rejection lead to mental illness?

Depression and anxiety that accompanies being alone and rejected are mental illnesses. A person’s mental state may continue to spiral downward as they age. Many homeless people who have developed severe mental illnesses started with simply being a rejected loner. For these people, their lives become worse over time. This is why it is important for a loner to do everything they can to change their lives and develop a social life before it is too late.

Isolation that results from a culture that is afraid of strangers and only accepts new friends who are referred through social circles and other known parties

People in the US are very polite and friendly to strangers on the surface or in trivial ways. They will hold doors open for each other, say thank you, and are generally quite polite. The friendliness towards strangers goes only so far as common courtesy however because when it comes to forming a relationship or a friendship with a stranger people are very guarded.

In America, the only acceptable way to meet someone is through a social circle, existing friends, or perhaps through school or in the workplace. Any other way of meeting someone is generally frowned upon.

Random, creepy, weird etc. tags being applied to strangers

To actually socialize beyond small talk, or try to form a relationship with a stranger is a social taboo in America. It is considered to be breaking a social norm and often will result in the person being shunned and rejected if not done properly. Factors such as the age and attractiveness of the person attempting to be social with a stranger in public to the stranger will also determine the likeliness of success. A good looking male model type guy who approaches a female stranger is seen as confident and sexy, while a fat bald guy who does the same thing would be labeled a creepy loser.

A lonely society that shuns social interaction by people wanting to meet others, how is that possible?

It is possible because most people are not lonely. Most people have friends and family that they interact with regularly. For these people, it is not a problem. They don’t need anyone new in their lives and do not want to socialize with strangers.

While most people have social lives, friends, and relationships, there are millions who don’t. Approximately 20% of the adult population have no friends or family who they socialize with regularly. For these people, the “trust and deal with only people you know” type culture of America is absolutely devastating. It takes friends and connections to make friends. Some will try, often in vain, to join yoga classes and partake in group activities to build relationships but often these attempts go nowhere. They are seemingly forever alone in a society where everyone else is interconnected and having a good time.

When it comes to socializing and making friends, you are either on the inside or the outside. It is an all or nothing type of social atmosphere throughout America (and Canada, UK, Australia).
Indicators of Social Rejection
Adults who are socially rejected tend to have similar experiences in dealing with people. They frequently put effort into other people and receive little or no effort in return.

This lack of effort and interest from other people typically manifests itself in several ways, most frequently:

  • People almost never text or initiate conversations first
  • People take a long time to reply to your texts or messages
  • You are rarely invited anywhere
  • In group conversations people tend to focus on other people and not you (almost as if you aren't even there)
  • People don't reply to your text messages, or replies are short and lack enthusiasm
  • Your comments in social groups tend to go unnoticed or are not responded to
  • People you communicate with always seem to be preoccupied, busy, or have other things going on
  • Nobody ever has time for you or includes you in plans on Friday and Saturday nights
These are signs people aren't interested in you

If you can relate to some or all of the above factors, it's an indication that people are not responding to your favorably socially. They are showing little or no interest in talking to you, or developing relationships with you. This is a warning sign that something is off. It may be the result of your appearance, personality, or behavior.

What to do if you are consistently rejected socially

As a loner, it is very tough to experience social rejection. Since it is natural to want to fit in and be accepted, consistent rejection will damage a person's self confidence and self esteem. Many demoralized losers slowly stop trying because they wish to avoid the pain of rejection. This leads to further social isolation and feelings of loneliness for these adults.

Those who don't fit in tend to be rejected the most

The first thing you should do if you want to fit in and be liked/accepted is closely examine how you are presenting yourself to other people. Ideally, you want to make sure there's nothing that makes you stand out. While standing out may lead people to believe you are an interesting person, it won't make them want to be your friend.

People will be most likely to befriend, like and accept you if they perceive you to be similar to them in regards to three main areas:

  • personal appearance, hygiene and dress
  • behavior and personality
  • interests, values, and beliefs
Giving off an impression that one of these factors is "off" will likely lead to social rejection. You have to go out of your way to demonstrate similarities in order to prevent people from simply writing you off socially.
Why socially isolated loners often brag about their IQ scores
There is a definite correlation between being a social reject and talking (and often lying about) about having a high IQ. While normal people regularly obtain personal satisfaction through social friendships, romantic partners, and going out/having fun, those who are unwanted as friends and romantic partners, lack this source of validation and make assertions of intellectual superiority as a way of compensating for that.

Do socially isolated adults actually have higher IQs?

Some may, but most do not. In fact, most of the people who say they have a “high IQ” are quite average in terms of their ability to perform on an IQ test. Why do so many people lie about their IQ? They lie because it is the easiest way to get some relief for feeling like they have nothing that makes them special.

Socially rejected adults are often so perverse in their thinking that they think a high IQ score is something that normal people think/care about. Loners love the concept of “high IQ” because it is an innate trait that some people are born with and others are not. Of course, there is limited interest in IQ by the vast majority of society who care more about other innate traits such as good looks. Most normal people care about what they are going to do on the weekend or drama associated with their social lives, not IQ scores.

Referencing a (real or false) high IQ score let’s everyone know you are a loser who is desperate to feel special

Well adjusted people feel a sense of empathy for those who declare to have high IQs because they know these people are likely:

  1. Trying to compensate for years of rejection and social isolation
  2. Have nothing to feel good about and lack self esteem
  3. Are probably of relatively average intelligence and lacking in other areas of intellectual capacity (social skills, athletic ability, etc.)
  4. Often lack other innate, more important characteristics such as good looks.
This type of boasting doesn't always present itself in the form of a "high IQ". Loners will also frequently hint at or declare their supposed smarts by making other common assertions, such as:

  1. That they knowing how to speak multiple languages
  2. That they have a superior ability to play intellectual games (card and numbers games)
  3. That they are a stock market or forex trading genius
  4. That they have excellent abilities in the sciences and mathematics
All of these are similar to high IQ declarations because they indicate an innate intellectual superiority.

Socially rejected people are desperate to have others look at them and think they are special. Please note that often a high intelligence claim is also accompanied by a false assertion that they are a person who is wealthy or rich financially.
Loners have to hide that they have no social life
Part of the problem for friendless losers is that they find themselves having to hide their lack of a social life from the world. Nobody wants to be friends with someone who has no friends. The whole thing becomes a big game of hiding and pretending.

Need Friends to make friends

In the financial world, it normally takes capital or a really good idea to be successful. In the social world, it takes friends to make friends. Or, at the very least, having an existing social circle will make things a lot easier for you.

People with friends have instant credibility for new potential friends and contacts. A person who is accepted by others appears acceptable. If you are by yourself, it is much harder to find that likability and acceptance.

Having friends already also makes it much easier because you will be around other people more. When you're consistently at parties, events, and other gatherings you're chances will increase because of simple proximity.

If you've got no friends at all, it's hard to make new ones

What this all means is that if you are part of the unfortunately class of people with no local friends whatsoever, it's going to be the most difficult for you to get started. To go back to the business analogy, most new businesses fail and it's very difficult to launch a successful business from nothing.

A lot of people find themselves in situations of having no friends because they've recently moved to a new city, school, or are suffering from from years of an accumulated lack of social interaction. These people face the greatest challenges because they lack the existing connections that increase the number of people they meet and provide evidence of their social value.

While being in a situation of having no friends is difficult, it is not impossible or particularly rare. It is common for people to find themselves in new environments where they are alone. In fact, there is also a certain degree of acceptance given to people who are "new in town" and alone. It's understood that since you are new you don't have any friends. There is thus a window of opportunity that comes with being new in town.

This window of opportunity, however, does not last forever. It you've lived in your city for a number of years and it still have failed to make friends or formed new relationships people may see you as a social outcast.

The solution is to lie and pretend that you have a social life

If you're not "new in town" and are still a loser, you're going to have to lie to some degree about your social life. Tell stories about friends that don't exist and fun times you never had. A phrase that is frequently given in movies and sales job presentations is: "act as if." You need to fake it until you make it. As a loser, you need to fake having friends in order to establish friendships.

If you think being dishonest is something to be ashamed of, it's not. In the social world people lie all the time. They lie about what they're doing. They lie about being busy. Make no mistake: people always lie about their social lives. If you're a social outcast, the first step to breaking in and being successful is learning how to lie about your current situation.
 

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Brutal. Will read these later.
 

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Loners have to hide that they have no social life
Part of the problem for friendless losers is that they find themselves having to hide their lack of a social life from the world. Nobody wants to be friends with someone who has no friends. The whole thing becomes a big game of hiding and pretending.

Best way to get a job, is to already have one. Best way to get a GF, is to already have one.


Why socially isolated loners often brag about their IQ scores

The only people that brag about their IQ are subhumans in 90% of cases
 

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If you think being dishonest is something to be ashamed of, it's not. In the social world people lie all the time. They lie about what they're doing. They lie about being busy. Make no mistake: people always lie about their social lives. If you're a social outcast, the first step to breaking in and being successful is learning how to lie about your current situation.
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How relationships and online dating differs for introverted loner men versus women.
There is virtually no comparison between an average single man with no friends compared to his female counterpart when it comes to dating. While for a man having no friends or social circle guarantees women will reject him, for women this is often seen as a positive trait because legions of lonely men appreciate her availability and perceived weakness.

Women who sign up for online dating have an unlimited supply of men offering them dates, sex, and long term companionship. Despite all these options, 90% of these potential suitors are ignored because they are perceived as not being good enough (too short, old, ugly, bald, poor, or socially isolated).

Men with no friends or existing social life get ignored and rejected by women (especially online)

Being a loner and single as a man often means attractive or average women do not show any interest in you. Guys send messages out on online dating websites, but get little or no replies. When women do respond, the conversation goes nowhere (ie. the woman eventually stops replying). Sometimes they may meet a woman for coffee however afterwards she will stop replying or tell them because she lacks interest. She may express this lack of attraction by saying there is “no chemistry”, or she “just wants to be friends”, or that she “isn’t feeling it”, or that he is a “nice guy”, etc. In some ways, this drawn out rejection is even worse for the rejected loser male.

The problem for male loners is that their lack of friends or a social circle is a deterrent for women. Women in America are simply not interested in guys who live a lonely life. Furthermore, other than approaching strangers on the street (which is socially frowned upon), the guy is limited to online dating which often will result in the experiences above. For single loners, the only women who will show genuine interest in them are women who are extremely overweight, much older, or from a foreign country (living abroad or a new immigrant).

Interestingly, single male loners prefer women who seem to be available. A girl with an active social life who is always going on “girls nights out” is seen as impossible to get close to. Many rejected loner men will post on forms looking for where to meet the lonesome girl who reads all day. Unfortunately, in 2014 even these girls have access to internet dating and are thus bombarded with requests from guys all day.

As the years of rejection accumulate, the male will eventually grow tired and stop putting effort into finding a partner. As part of giving up, the single male loner will often turn to alcohol, drugs, or overeating to compensate or feel a “high” in their life that is missing from the lack of social interaction. Unfortunately, alcohol and overeating result in weight gain making the man even more unattractive and unwanted by women. It is a cycle that only gets worse as the man ages.

Friendless women are bombarded with interest from guys online, but will find the guys they are interested in only consider them good enough for sex (and not good enough for a long term relationship)

Women who are loners and single have a much different experience than men do in the dating world. For women, the fact that they have no friends and don’t have an active social life is not a reason for men to reject them (in fact many guys want a girl of this background). Most guys will not care whether the women is popular, or active, or has a good job. What matters is that the woman is not overweight and is available to be with.

While single men are completely alone and have nobody interested in them, single women are literally bombarded with interest from men on POF, Ok Cupid, or other online dating websites. Even unattractive women are in high demand especially if they are not overweight. It is not uncommon for thin or average body size women to receive literally hundreds of messages a day if they live in a populated area.

Given the extreme amount of interest, most women will only choose to reply to guys who seem to have a lot going for them. While it is okay for the woman may be unemployed, overweight, and have no friends, she will rarely show interest in guys who share any of these negative qualities. This is often referred to as hypergamy and it is common, particularly in online dating. As a result, all of the women are seeking the same, very few male partners (tall, non bald, in shape, well off, nice face, etc).

The problem that single loner women face is that while it is very easy for them to attract a top male partner for sex, very few of these guys are willing consider these women for relationships. As a result, the men who these women select will only want something sexual. They won’t want to commit, go places in public, or see them for an extended period of time. While it would seem that there are legions of men willing to date and commit to these women (single loner males - described above), they are the very same guys she is ignoring messages from and saying she feels “no chemistry” when she meets them.

Do women ever give nice guys, who she previously rejected, a chance?

As women age, and after having been rejected (after sex) by many top male suitors, she may choose to settle or try to develop a relationship with a loner (ie. beta) male. Unlike the previous partners who she may have had sex with relatively easily, she will normally want to make the loner male work for it. He will sometimes be expected to provide financial support and commit long term. Often the loner male will have to have a financial situation that is far superior to hers to be considered.
Adults with no friends often gain weight and experience increased depression as they age
The older a loner gets the more displaced they get from the social world that eludes them. When the loner was younger, he/she put effort into other people, but after years being flaked on, used financially, rejected, ignored, and perceived as invisible to other people they often conclude that their efforts to maintain their appearance is futile. As a result, they let themselves go and spiral down into a cycle that is extremely difficult to stop.

Aging and continued social rejection experiences positively correlates with:

  • weight gain
  • lack of personal grooming
  • choosing to wear clothes that are loose, non-fitting, and unfashionable
  • increased depression and use of antidepressants such as Lexapro/Cipralex, anti anxiety pills, and sleeping pills
While a rejected adult may look somewhat "put together" when they are young, as they age (particularly after age 30), their appearance drops dramatically.

The reasoning for this is that as the years go by, it becomes obvious to them that they have virtually “nothing to lose” by over indulging themselves. Instead of trying to find enjoyment through social interaction (which eluded them in the past), they gain it through food overconsumption.

As the person gains weight, they automatically become very unattractive meaning there is no reason to keep up with grooming habits anymore because people are going to find them sexually unattractive either way for being fat. You will see more fat men with unkempt hair and neck beards than men who are in shape.

As the socially rejected adult gains weight, their clothing no longer fits nor are they able to dress fashionable comfortably.
The rejected loner will gain a big belly (both men and women) which is extremely uncomfortable. As such, they will gravitate towards clothing that attempts to alleviate this discomfort. Fat people clothing includes jogging pants, moo moos, lose fitting track pants, and shorts and pants with rubber bands instead of buttons to keep them on. This is normally a progressive process that does not happen overnight, but in various stages.

The life stages of friendless and romantically rejected adults as they get older:

STAGE 1: Years of social rejection while trying to maintain appearance (often late teens and early 20s)

STAGE 2: Loner realizes the effort is not worth it and gets into food (often mid – late 20s to 30s)

STAGE 3: Weight increases each year as food intake increases (30s – 40s)
Appearance no longer attractive regardless of grooming habits and clothes (30s – 40s)

STAGE 4: Clothes no longer comfortable so loner switches to even less attractive attire (30 – 40s). They still think someday they will change their habits and lose the weight.

STAGE 5: Appearance declines to the point of no return. Depression ensures which is sometimes clinically treated with pills (40s – 50s).

STAGE 6: They have lost virtually all hope for an improved future. They are bloated, their health is noticeably declining, and it is patently obvious that their best years have been wasted. (50+)

The dreams of success are replaced with depression with each birthday, friendless new year's eve, and lack of accomplishments

While the young socially rejected adults (20s) can find personal satisfaction through hope and promise for the future, as the years go by and things get worse and worse, it becomes obvious that their dreams never came true. They look at other people who are the same age or are younger who found the success, friends, family, and accomplishment that they believed would happen to them and slowly it starts to set in that this will never happen. What was once an obvious bright future (early 20s) starts to seem unrealistic as the loner gets into their later 20s. In their 30s, they realize that the things they wanted and dreamed of never materialised and the decline begins.

Depression levels rise as the loner slowly realizes the vision they had for their future will not happen. This is often compounded by the loner having worked hard to achieve a college education or training that turned out to be a waste of time and money. They “did everything right” but all that time and effort was wasted. Sometimes the loner will seek professional help and take antidepressants like Lexapro/Cipralex to try to feel happy again. Desperate to enjoy life, they self indulge.
Nobody ever invites me places
Loners often perceive that other people have no interest in hanging around with them. This perceived rejection leads to feelings of anger, jealousy, and resentment towards others.

Never being invited places is not just a sign that a person is a loser, it also indicates they have a tremendous fear of rejection.

Losers care the most and get hurt the most

While losers are usually the first people to claim they “don’t care about what anyone thinks”, in reality, they care the most. They often fear rejection so much they begin to rationalize avoiding rejection as more important than the rewards of friendship and having company.

In order to avoid being rejected, they talk less and withdraw from society. As a result, they are invited places even less often.

People are not always available to hang out

The fear of rejection can lead people to misread and wrongly internalize things that are normal in the social world. People are busy and not always available. It is only possible to hang around with people during the limited times that they are free. As such, most invitations are going to be rejected just because of timing.

While normal people understand this, loners take it far more personally. They see it as a reflection of their value. They think it means they aren’t good enough and unwanted.
Adult Fatness: People without friends are more likely to be overweight
People who are fat often have few or no friends. Fat men have trouble finding women who want to have sex with them. Fat women are able to find guys to have sex with them, but unable to find long term relationships. Being overweight severely damages a person’s social life and there are two primary reasons for this:

  • Being overweight makes it more difficult to make and keep friends because people will reject you/not want to be seen with you;
  • Having no friends or social life leads to boredom which can cause the loner to seek enjoyment through eating too much food.
Both of these factors work together and create a self fulfilling prophecy. If a person is socially isolated, they will sometimes seek entertainment through eating and other destructive self indulgences (alcohol, drugs, etc.). This causes their appearance to suffer as they gain weight. Being fat damages the loner’s self esteem leaving them less likely to make an effort to socialize. This lack of effort adds to the isolated. Losers continue to gain weight as they age and become more lonely and isolated. Consequences of not having a social circle of friends to hang out with

But what about the fat guy I know who is the life of the party?

There are exceptions to every rule. Some overweight people have better than average social skills. They create social opportunities for other people, throw parties, and find friends and popularity; however, for every one of these individuals there are 100 fat people who no friends and no lives. The average fat person does little more than eat and play on their computer all day.

People have a tendency to want to rationalize their (destructive) behavior. The majority of fat losers are not living the John Belushi “Animal House” type lifestyle with friends, women, sex, etc. They are social outcasts who are unable to make friends and find relationships because they are constantly rejected for being overweight. Often their sole pleasure in life comes from eating. They get fatter as they age and more isolated. Normal people don’t live their lives this way.

Being thin and in shape is part of being social and having friends, sex, and long term relationships
For most normal/healthy adults with good social skills, they gain pleasure through social relationships, sex, social groups, and career achievement. They understand that being overweight would mean people would treat them with less respect and wouldn’t want to have sex or long term relationships with them. Thin people are often embarrassed to be seen with fat people in public. Thin people know that in order to maintain their social lifestyle they cannot be fat. This is their motivation for not overeating. They don’t want to give up their lifestyle and want other people to befriend and find them attractive. Most fat people have lost this motivation because they have been rejected for so long that they’ve given up hope.

Being a fat person = constant rejection

If you’re fat, people will reject you - a lot. They won’t want to have sex with you, they won’t want to be seen with you, and they won’t respect you. While many will describe weight loss as a difficult endeavor, in reality it is extremely simple. All a person has to do is consume fewer calories than they burn and they will lose weight. There is no need to worry about eating fruits, vegetables, or grains. They only thing that matters when it comes to weight loss is calories.

While exercise can burn a few hundred calories a day (the equivalent of a about half a donut), the biggest factor by far in terms of weight loss is calorie consumption.

Having a high or fast metabolism is a myth: fat people eat more
Thin people often like to brag about having a “fast metabolism”. This is nothing more than a myth for the most part. Give or take a few hundred calories, most people burn calories at practically the same rate given their age/weight/height/gender.

Why do thin people like to say they have a high metabolism?

People like to think they are biologically superior to one another as a source of self esteem. For this reason a lot of thin people will go out of their way to try to convince you that they are thin because they were born with a “fast metabolism”. In reality, they are thin because they don’t consume that many calories on average. They should be bragging about their self control, but instead will try to convince you they were born with some rare biological ability that allows them not to gain weight. This is nothing but a myth. If these people consumed the same number of calories as a fat person of their age/height they too would be fat.

A lot of thin people will also go out of their way to try to convince you that they eat a lot. They’ll talk about all the big meals they have, how full they are, how much they ate, etc. If you were to look at their overall calorie consumption, they are eating way less than the fat people are (despite all the slices of pizza they had at the party that they went out of their way to tell you about).

Thin people deserve credit for not overeating and understanding the limits of self indulgences with food. They want you to think, however, they were born biologically superior to fat people and can eat without gaining weight. Perhaps genetics played a role in their self control, but not so much in their metabolism beyond their height/gender/age/etc. It is the myth of having a slow metabolism that keeps fat people from believing they can’t lose weight. Their metabolism isn’t the problem. The problem is their overall average caloric intake.

Fat single man = no sex life
The problem with being an overweight man is that you will have an extremely difficult time finding women who will want to have sex with you. There are always exceptions (like wealth), but generally speaking most fat guys will experience a tremendous about of rejection from women.

A lot of overweight men eventually give up on trying to date because of the constant rejection (and continue to eat even more). The reason fat men are always rejected by women is that the vast majority of women are not attracted to them. If you are a fat guy, you are at the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of sexual attraction with women. It’s not just that having a big belly is unattractive, it’s also (or perhaps moreso) that being fat means that you have an ugly face.

Fat guys have unattractive faces

While having a big belly turns women off fat guys, it’s also the appearance of their face that causes them to reject you. When a man is overweight his face gets bigger making him far less attractive. This is because the bone structure in the face becomes less defined making the man’s features look far less sexy. There are many men who have the potential to have very nice faces who have zero sex appeal to women because they are overweight. Even being just 10 or 20 pounds overweight can make a significant difference to the appearance of a man’s face.

Jared Leto comparison of thin and fat face


Jared Leto, known for having an attractive face, had an unattractive face as a fat person



Guys with nice faces often don’t realize how much being overweight is making them look ugly. It’s hard to tell just by looking in the mirror how much your face is changing when you put on weight. People often look at older pictures of themselves (when they were thinner) and attribute being better looking to being younger. In reality, it is the weight gain that is making their face much less attractive in these old pictures and not so much being older.

Getting fat is not part of the aging process. It’s part of the giving up on sex/social success and overeating process.

But what about all the overweight guys dating hot or decent looking women?

Again, there are exceptions to every rule. Apart from the obvious factor of money, most of these scenarios develop from long term relationships where the man has “let himself go”. The women is only with him because she has an emotional connection, children, family bond, etc. that is very strong, or because she lacks the confidence to leave him.

Many of these relationships eventually end and the fat guy usually finds himself:

  1. Losing a significant portion of his wealth;
  2. Possibly losing his social circle if connected through his wife;
  3. Unable to have sex or find interested women because he is overweight.
If you are a guy who is fat, forget about building muscles. You first need to get your weight down so that women will perceive you as having an attractive face. You need to consume less calories.

Fat women can find guys to have sex with them but not long term relationships
Overweight women can find guys who will have sex with them but most will not be interested in long term relationships.

For women who are overweight, they will find that men will be interested in them only for sex (behind closed doors). Finding a relationship with a man who is willing to go out in public with a fat woman is a challenge. Unlike an overweight man, a fat woman can easily find sex, however most of the guys she will agree to have sex with will not be interested in a long term relationship.

Many fat women are confused after having sex with thin/in shape guys and them never “sticking around”. They fail to realize that for a man the bar or standard for having sex with a girl is a lot lower than having a relationship with her. These fat girls often find long term relationships with men who are much older or also overweight.

If you are overweight, people will be less interested in befriending and having sex with you. Fortunately, your weight is completely under your control. While you may have been brainwashed into thinking your genetics are making you fat, in reality this is categorically untrue. You can lose weight and find friends/sex/relationships/respect if you simply eat less food (consume less calories). Do you have the willpower?

How to hang out with people
Loners often fail to understand that when it comes to hanging around with people, they simply want company, not entertainment. You don’t have to put on a performance by being funny or interesting. You don’t have to demonstrate your intelligence or achievements. The only thing you need to do is be relaxed and dispassionate.

People don’t like to be alone, particularly in public. There is a social stigma and inherent sense of failure that comes with being alone in public. As such, the primary purpose when hanging around with other people is to avoid being alone.

You don’t have to be talking all the time

People who are comfortable with each other are comfortable with silence. There is no constant back and forth of questions and small talk. Comments are made only when there is something of value to say. This is part of having good social skills as an adult. It’s not just about talking, it’s also about not talking.

Loners often equate silence with awkwardness. Silence is only awkward when both people are searching for something to say. When people are comfortable and hanging around with each other there is an understanding that it is okay not to be talking.

Inducing silence in conversations

One trick to reduce awkwardness that may come with silence when first hanging around with someone is to intentionally let the conversation go silent. The other person will say something and you don’t respond. Instead, you let the conversation go cold and then say something new, unrelated, and of value at later on. This demonstrates to the other person that it is “cool” not to be talking all the time. You’re relaxed and comfortable with each other to the point of not having to keep talking.

Socially awkward adults often never let this silence happen thus preventing the necessary comfort and bond needed to spawn friendships and relationships from developing. Loners have it engrained in their mind that “silence always means awkward” and this is just not the case. Nobody wants to hang around with someone if they feel a pressure to keep talking. They want to hang around with people who are relaxed and who they feel they have an understanding with.

Loners and nice guys try too hard

Loners tend not to try hard enough to find people to hang around with, but try too hard when it comes to actually hanging out with them. Namely, they try to impress the other person by saying things that are funny, witty, interesting, etc. They also try to keep conversations going with persistent comments and questions of little value. If other people see hanging around with you as uncomfortable, they won’t want to do it anymore. You have to be relaxed and relatively dispassionate when you’re with friends or potential friends.

In short: Put more effort into inviting people and securing invitations to hang out with people and then relax more when you are actually hanging out with them.
 

OctopuS

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Written by a self hating incel who needed to get rid of his shame and pathetic feels for all the things that he did

he should have done drugs to get rid of that
I initially thought it's a sophisticated troll attempt masquerading as some of kind "counselor services" but the author's observations are spot on. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who he/she is, what matters is how clean-cut and straightforward the provided info is.
 

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You don’t have to be talking all the time

People who are comfortable with each other are comfortable with silence. There is no constant back and forth of questions and small talk. Comments are made only when there is something of value to say. This is part of having good social skills as an adult. It’s not just about talking, it’s also about not talking.

Loners often equate silence with awkwardness. Silence is only awkward when both people are searching for something to say. When people are comfortable and hanging around with each other there is an understanding that it is okay not to be talking.

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i need to learn this one tbh
 

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"Interestingly, single male loners prefer women who seem to be available. A girl with an active social life who is always going on “girls nights out” is seen as impossible to get close to. Many rejected loner men will post on forms looking for where to meet the lonesome girl who reads all day. Unfortunately, in 2014 even these girls have access to internet dating and are thus bombarded with requests from guys all day."


This is interesting, like every woman is connected with each other, its hard to break into that cycle.


"While losers are usually the first people to claim they “don’t care about what anyone thinks”, in reality, they care the most. They often fear rejection so much they begin to rationalize avoiding rejection as more important than the rewards of friendship and having company.

In order to avoid being rejected, they talk less and withdraw from society. As a result, they are invited places even less often"


personally called out
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swaggyp1

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legit

me and the boy Tyrone went out to confront opps after they tried slinging dope from our corner

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